H20 | AMD Phenom II C3 | Dragon's Revenge | Ultimate Thread

[wez]

Yeah, as soon as I read that I thought..."Isn't AS5 conductive?"

It's fine as long as you don't use way too much of it.

[theoldtimer]

BTW: VERY nice work with the IGP OldTimer & Wuttz!

Thanks Dave. I've been following your tests and I'm looking forward to some more. This MSI doesn't like the 1/4 memory divider very well at least not when clocking up the HTT. What is the max HTT you can get it to boot (using the lowest memory divider and relaxed timings of course)?

very nice benches oldtimer!

Thanks wutts. Interesting game test results. Great work
I hope to get started on some game benches today if all goes well.

[charged3800z24]

as5 is conductive, you sure you didnt get some of it on the resistors?

I don't think that is it, since it was a problem before he made the change. My board did the same thing, it is off to RMA.

Did anyone see my post a few pages back with the screen shot that looked like Titan7171's? I think it is a Gigabyte issue. I even tried a newer bios with same issue. Now the board doesn't even POST. I never even got to touch settings.

[Titan7171]

as5 is conductive, you sure you didnt get some of it on the resistors?

Yeah, as soon as I read that I thought..."Isn't AS5 conductive?"

Hah yea guys sorry it wasnt arctic silver 5 it was Arctic silver ceramique the white one. Even so, I put so little on its not enough to go anywhere. Even if I used as5, I know how to apply thermal pasteI squeezed the hs on to make sure of contact, checked the bottom of the hs, checked the core again then reinstalled the heatsink. I did this after the problems started thinking it was bad contact/heat issue on the hs though.

Even so when I apply the theramal paste is only on the center core and nothing is touching the resistors around it.

[theoldtimer]

I tested the HT a little more today. I had to drop the memory divider to 1:2 and then the HT cranked on up a bit more.

At 4312MHz 14x308 the system ran wPrime 32m, SPI- 32M and Cinebench 10 repeatedly but it wouldn’t run any 3D tests as the GFX driver would stop working. I lowered the IGP memory speed from 667 to 533 and then the system would run the 3D tests at the above bios settings of 14x308. The 3D scores suffered though I assume from the lower IGP memory speed.

[Daveburt714]

Thanks Dave. I've been following your tests and I'm looking forward to some more. This MSI doesn't like the 1/4 memory divider very well at least not when clocking up the HTT. What is the max HTT you can get it to boot (using the lowest memory divider and relaxed timings of course)?

Thanks for the advice man! I get a little impatient sometimes...

Anyway, the problem doesn't seem to be with the board's HTRef clock.
I'm still trying to narrow it down, but it's either my RAM or IMC (still weak).

With everything else in a known good range it will post and boot with the HT @ 300 in bios.
I'd rather not run it that high, but at least it's one thing I can take out of the equation...

Heres a SS:
(set from bios)



I may double post, I'm going to run some SSD comparisons at different HTRef clocks... What can I say, I'm curious...

[Daveburt714]

Warned you all I might double post!

These test are not scientific, just a single HDTune run with different HTRef clocks.
I tried to keep CPU, RAM and IMC as close as possible.
This wasn't a tweaked run or anything, all services and sidebar running (real world kinda thing)...

Actually, I'm kind of surprised there wasn't a difference, nothing that couldn't be attributed to normal variances anyway...

HDTune @ 240 HTRef:




HDTune @ 300 HTRef:

[theoldtimer]

Interesting SSD tests. It looks like your MB handles HT alright Dave. How well does your MB take changes in the bios? This MSI doesn’t like too many changes at one time because if I change say HT and NB bios settings it may not reboot. Where as if I just change the HT bios setting then reboot then reenter the bios and change the NB speed it reboots the next time just fine.

I ran a few tests with the NB @3000+/- today but I used the 32-bit OS. I didn’t need that much vcore I just forgot to lower it when I changed the bios settings.

[Daveburt714]

Interesting SSD tests. It looks like your MB handles HT alright Dave. How well does your MB take changes in the bios? This MSI doesn’t like too many changes at one time because if I change say HT and NB bios settings it may not reboot. Where as if I just change the HT bios setting then reboot then reenter the bios and change the NB speed it reboots the next time just fine.

I haven't dug into it too far yet OT, but yeah, it seems to have post problems sometimes... I was blaming it on the high HTRef clocks, but now that you mention it, multiple changes may be the problem...

I ran a few tests with the NB @3000+/- today but I used the 32-bit OS. I didn’t need that much vcore I just forgot to lower it when I changed the bios settings.

I think you have a better chip than me man, then again, I'm running on ambient water and your running on chilled...

This is a fun chipset...
It's different, but part of the adventure is finding out what stuff likes.

In the end, I'm pretty sure this board will give me better performance than the UD4P...

[BeepBeep2]

This is a fun chipset...
It's different, but part of the adventure is finding out what stuff likes.

In the end, I'm pretty sure this board will give me better performance than the UD4P...

My CPU score went up 120 points and I got the same '06 score with a 20 Mhz lower GPU core clock.

CPU PWM is good for 4+1 also. It's beefy and under stress 4000 @ 1.55v the voltage never budges.

[theoldtimer]

Ok I ran AquaMark3 today and it test fine but I can’t get a screen capture in order to add all the CPUz system info to a full screen shot. AquaMark runs in full screen and when I do a printscreen the paste into paint all I get is a black image. I’ve also tried Alt+printscreen and control+printscreen with the same results in paint a black image.
Do I need to buy the full bench test in order to capture a screen shot?

I finally just used a camera to take a picture of the screen which is posted below.



I ran some Stalker bench tests also plus I posted my best CrystalMark score so far on this MB. All these tests were on Windows 7 RC.

Stalker Static lighting



Stalker Full dynamic lighting



CrystalMark

[chew*]

Ok I ran AquaMark3 today and it test fine but I can’t get a screen capture in order to add all the CPUz system info to a full screen shot. AquaMark runs in full screen and when I do a printscreen the paste into paint all I get is a black image. I’ve also tried Alt+printscreen and control+printscreen with the same results in paint a black image.
Do I need to buy the full bench test in order to capture a screen shot?

try renaming the direct3d.dll file to direct3d0ld.dll

Beilieve after that it will use the correct dll file found in registry for your current device. That is if you didn't delete it to run vantage

[Buckeye]

try renaming the direct3d.dll file to direct3d0ld.dll

Thanks

That happens to me all the time and I can never figure out what I did to make it work. Old age I guess LOL

[charged3800z24]

Ok I ran AquaMark3 today and it test fine but I can’t get a screen capture in order to add all the CPUz system info to a full screen shot. AquaMark runs in full screen and when I do a printscreen the paste into paint all I get is a black image. I’ve also tried Alt+printscreen and control+printscreen with the same results in paint a black image.
Do I need to buy the full bench test in order to capture a screen shot?

I finally just used a camera to take a picture of the screen which is posted below.

Did you try alt+tab? I never ran the bench before, but most apps will minimize or windows when usig alt+tab.

[chew*]

OK since you guys can use the "tips" it seems.....

Depending on driver/version of 3dmark your using......

06 add space -nosysteminfo to the end of the executable on desktop.

Vantage remove/rename direct3d.dll in winnt/system32

AM3 rename direct3d.dll to anything else so it will use the dll file in system32 that you correctly renamed after running vantage.

For reference -nosysteminfo is preety taboo once the benches get the correct systeminfo patch updates to identify the hardware properly and the drivers are "updated".

Charged, alt tab will not fix the issues he is having

BTW this is just since the hd4290 is new......shouldn't be a problem in a month or so.....

[charged3800z24]

Thanks Chew* for the info. I can't wait to get back to testing. I do have the Gigabyte running, well kinda. The onboard video is dead. As long as I keep it off in the bios and use the 5850 it kinda works. It isn't stable much, crashes randomly. While I am waiting on the MSI to return, I ordered this water block for the Egg. I have an Apogee GT and it doesn't like voltage. I was trying to find comparisons between the 2 but only found some vs the Apogee GTZ on Intell systems. It seem to do pretty good.

[Titan7171]

Thanks Chew* for the info. I can't wait to get back to testing. I do have the Gigabyte running, well kinda. The onboard video is dead. As long as I keep it off in the bios and use the 5850 it kinda works. It isn't stable much, crashes randomly. While I am waiting on the MSI to return, I ordered this water block for the Egg. I have an Apogee GT and it doesn't like voltage. I was trying to find comparisons between the 2 but only found some vs the Apogee GTZ on Intell systems. It seem to do pretty good.

I have the saphire from Enzotech great performance for the price!

[Zeus]

I have an Apogee GT and it doesn't like voltage.

This block isn't gonna like voltage too man, it prefers water.

[theoldtimer]

try renaming the direct3d.dll file to direct3d0ld.dll

Beilieve after that it will use the correct dll file found in registry for your current device. That is if you didn't delete it to run vantage

Thanks for the suggestion chew but I searched for a direct3d.dll without success. This being windows 7 rc may be part of the problem. I've been having trouble with both the 32 and 64-bit versions this time around and I'm not sure why. The 32 snd 64-bit versions refuses to run UT3 even patched plus AquaMark3 won't start on the 64-bit version. I've enjoyed testing Windows7 RC but I guess it's time to move on. I'm installing Vista 32-bit on the MSI right now.

I did find a fix for the AquaMark3 problem though.
AquaMark3 creates a folder in the pictures library and saves the pictures as files with.tga file extension in that folder. Gimp will open these files as seen in the posted screen shot of the AquaMark3 test below.

[charged3800z24]

This block isn't gonna like voltage too man, it prefers water.

you know what i mean I am hoping it does better, but we'll see.

[charged3800z24]

Thanks for the suggestion chew but I searched for a direct3d.dll without success. This being windows 7 rc may be part of the problem. I've been having trouble with both the 32 and 64-bit versions this time around and I'm not sure why. The 32 snd 64-bit versions refuses to run UT3 even patched plus AquaMark3 won't start on the 64-bit version. I've enjoyed testing Windows7 RC but I guess it's time to move on. I'm installing Vista 32-bit on the MSI right now.

What is 3dmark/ Vantage doing again?

[BeepBeep2]

Anyone else had problems with the onboard LAN?

4th time I've lost connectivity is today. Every other PC is fine. It says the cable is disconnected.

Safe mode, I get connectivity and in windows it just doesn't work. I have to reinstall drivers like once a week. I was thinking about RMA...

[charged3800z24]

Gigabyte is being a pain in my arse trying to get the RMA going lol. MSI just need the problem discription and the serial number

[BeepBeep2]

Gigabyte is being a pain in my arse trying to get the RMA going lol. MSI just need the problem discription and the serial number

Have a facebook page?

Add them and message them:

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[theoldtimer]

What is 3dmark/ Vantage doing again?

Vantage wouldn’t start but the direcpll.dll fix was all that was needed. 3D06 needed the 1.2 patch, if I remember correctly 3d03 or 05 was also fixed by the direcpll.dll fix.
I did a fresh install of Vista 32 today and then installed all the 3d’s 01, 03, 05, 06 and Vantage then tested. Everyone started and ran first try. I’ve had trouble getting one or the other to run on the first try (usually 06) in the past but the direcpll.dll was usually all it would take to get it to move past the splash screen.