The GT300/Fermi Thread - Part 2!

[NaMcO]

If gtx480 does in fact more or less equal 5870, then theres no reason to buy any card from this generation as simply put its just not a big enough step up in performance on any level.

This is specially true for me. My 295 is faster than a 5870 at all levels, and drivers apart, (because CCC is a real PITA), if the 480 doesn't beat my 295 by a considerable margin there's no reason for me to change video card to a 480.

I want a bit more of juice than the 295 can deliver and the logical step would be a 5970 in case the 480 fails to impress. Thing is... The software sucks to be real honest about CCC, when will ATI deliver simple stuff like game profiles, i've been asking for this forever

I need AA8x for Crysis, but then i want to force AA16x in older games. Some games i want them with Vsync, some others i have to disable it (video card fails to deliver constant 60+fps) and i want all of this to be automatic when i start the game like nVidia drivers do.

I really like the 5970, don't get me wrong, but i always feel that something's missing when i use my other PC with the 4870x2 in it, this keeps me away from ATI for now

[LesGrossman]

My 295 is faster than a 5870 at all levels

At all levels of Far Cry 2 right? Or do you have a special 295?

[Dimitriman]

This is specially true for me. My 295 is faster than a 5870 at all levels, and drivers apart, (because CCC is a real PITA), if the 480 doesn't beat my 295 by a considerable margin there's no reason for me to change video card to a 480....

I really like the 5970, don't get me wrong, but i always feel that something's missing when i use my other PC with the 4870x2 in it, this keeps me away from ATI for now

Lol sorry for quoting myself here but this is the perfect example of what I once mentioned on a different day in this topic.

Nvidia has a real tight hold on some of its old school customers..
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...82#post4254282

If the day comes where Nvidia launches Fermi at 299$ then that's the day where they also start charging royalties for playing any games on your pc. Just like video games do.

It's way too unlikely that such a massive and expensive chip will sell for so little retail, especially since all the AMD price rises. Nvidia's loyalty based customers are a much much greater number then many believe. Even if Fermi is SLOWER than Cypress, there are enough Nvidia loyals that will buy it regardless and keep them at a safe revenue margin.

Just go fishing for all the posts claiming Nvidia cards "feel better", are "more reliable", "graphics look nicer" etc. as their reason for purchase and you will see exactly the people I'm talking about here.

I believe the only thing that can make Fermi fail is not launching it.

[NaMcO]

Lol sorry for quoting myself here but this is the perfect example of what I once mentioned on a different day in this topic.

Nvidia has a real tight hold on some of its old school customers..
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...82#post4254282

Except i've always had BOTH video cards (several models obviously) and i know what i'm talking about, i'm not just an "old" nVidia customer, i'm an old customer of both companies.

Did not Catalyst 10.2 bring game profiles? All you need to do is download a XML file from AMD site...

That's Crossfire profiles, not game profiles (with individual AA, AF, Vsync, etc etc) settings that load when you load a game.

Even if Fermi is SLOWER than Cypress, there are enough Nvidia loyals that will buy it regardless and keep them at a safe revenue margin.

But of course. It's not all about the speed, it's all about the reliability of a product even if you have to pay more for it. And nVidia has always been there, that's what lacks in ATI.

yours is more like disease thank god i go with whatever i want and really try hard to like it

Read above, i always had cards from both companies, but on my main PC i only use what's best at the time, and there is no ATI in there ever since the 9800's. "Trying to like it" doesn't cut it when you want to enjoy a game.

[RaV[666]]

Ati tray tools has game profiles, u can set not only AA/aniso with them but clocks and fanspeeds even (if card is supported).
Besides ati CCC has improved over last years greatly i must say.
Im using tray tools exclusively tho ;-).
It starts upon bootup, sets my idle clocks far lower than ccc did.When i launch a game it sets requierd clocks for me.Voila.

[NaMcO]

Ati tray tools has game profiles, u can set not only AA/aniso with them but clocks and fanspeeds even (if card is supported).
Besides ati CCC has improved over last years greatly i must say.
Im using tray tools exclusively tho ;-).
It starts upon bootup, sets my idle clocks far lower than ccc did.When i launch a game it sets requierd clocks for me.Voila.

This sure is interesting as well as "ATI Crossfire Xtension" which i didn't know existed. Now how hard is it to include these features in CCC? I'd say 1 day .NET coding

[insurgent]

Ati tray tools has game profiles, u can set not only AA/aniso with them but clocks and fanspeeds even (if card is supported).
Besides ati CCC has improved over last years greatly i must say.
Im using tray tools exclusively tho ;-).
It starts upon bootup, sets my idle clocks far lower than ccc did.When i launch a game it sets requierd clocks for me.Voila.

It's a waste of time to convince him otherwise. I don't think I've seen him in this thread.

Dedicated driver team, yeah

[NaMcO]

It's a waste of time to convince him otherwise. I don't think I've seen him in this thread.

Dedicated driver team, yeah

Hey, it happens on all sides. It just happens lots more in one of them, call off the party

[ElSel10]

Ati tray tools has game profiles, u can set not only AA/aniso with them but clocks and fanspeeds even (if card is supported).
Besides ati CCC has improved over last years greatly i must say.
Im using tray tools exclusively tho ;-).
It starts upon bootup, sets my idle clocks far lower than ccc did.When i launch a game it sets requierd clocks for me.Voila.

Yeah, for Nvidia you have nHancer. Regardless, nvidia drivers can do this out of the box without any third party utilities.

[InCredible]

Read above, i always had cards from both companies, but on my main PC i only use what's best at the time, and there is no ATI in there ever since the 9800's. "Trying to like it" doesn't cut it when you want to enjoy a game.

idk about you but ive also used cards from both sides..highest end from both sides and ive dealt with driver issues on both sides..and ive owned more nvidia cards then ati and personally i can't say nvidia is any better then ati as far as reliability or performance....and come to think of it the only cards ive had to ever rma were nvidia..
and ive increased volts and pretty heavy overclocks on all my cards ive owned.

[Neuromancer]

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But of course. It's not all about the speed, it's all about the reliability of a product even if you have to pay more for it. And nVidia has always been there, that's what lacks in ATI.
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Just curious if you did not buy the 7000 series nvidia cards because of hte high failure rate, the 8000 series cards because despite a 5 year beta perioid they could not produce a vista driver that worked... or for that matter a 6000 series card because of over heating issues?

Funny when I hear people say "nVidia makes a quality driver or product" they have the same fail rate or worse ATI does.

The big problem with ATI drivers? Finding one that fits an old ass part. Always has been and thats the chief complaint.

Has ATI had HW/SW problems? Of course.. to say otherwise would be ridiculous and make you sound like a moron (oops sorry for quoting you).

I like ATi because the have supported features that I tend to use first... IE .. multi mon, multi 3d mon etc.


Now does that mean I wont run nVidia? Absolutely not. I will abuse that HW just like I do ATi. Will I use it for my main dispaly? No.. but I admit thats a preferential thing. Not a fan boy thing. I like ATIs IQ better than nVidias.. many prefer it the other way around.

I have actually gone to the point of explaining it.. nVidia is "realistic" and ati is "cartoony" for lack of the correct way of explaining it. nVidia has a high gamma rate as default so everything to me like white washed. At the same time ATI does cartoony stuff like delineated lines on objects (no blur) and vibrant colors.. unlike relife.

CSAA works for nViida because LCDs dont have the color range real monitors do... so its like free AA I was running 24" CRTs up until last year.. so maybe I should try nVidia again. problem is their cards are STILL so over priced for the power you get..

295 costs $500? 285s are selling used for 3-400 WTF? Well admittedly those are forum prices not ebay.. I bought a 280 for under 200 last year.. and have seen 295s sell under 300.

I have seen nvidia fanboys trash forums with their grabage... and remember when they were paid to do it.

so yeah I guess I am a bit of an ATI fan boy... not cuz im getting paid.. not bwecause I have an allegiance ot the company. It just worked better for me since forever. Since I returned my FX5200 to go back to my radeon 7000, since I dumped my 7900GT for a x1950.. to my roll thorugh 3 8800 series cards all giving me BSODs... t ojust pick up a 3850 instead... to my 4850-4890 run...

I will go 5800 before I go "fermi." If youwant to call me a fanboy, I do not care. I know this for 2 reasons.

Firstly ... 5800 will be cheaper.. Secondly.. I can make my lights flicker with a 4890... whats a fermi gonna do?

[eric66]

Except i've always had BOTH video cards (several models obviously) and i know what i'm talking about, i'm not just an "old" nVidia customer, i'm an old customer of both companies.



That's Crossfire profiles, not game profiles (with individual AA, AF, Vsync, etc etc) settings that load when you load a game.



But of course. It's not all about the speed, it's all about the reliability of a product even if you have to pay more for it. And nVidia has always been there, that's what lacks in ATI.




Read above, i always had cards from both companies, but on my main PC i only use what's best at the time, and there is no ATI in there ever since the 9800's. "Trying to like it" doesn't cut it when you want to enjoy a game.

lol what x1900 was killer card best single card with much better iq if you can enjoy games with poor iq don't know that more like nvidia fanatism to me

[Behemot]

The software sucks to be real honest about CCC, when will ATI deliver simple stuff like game profiles, i've been asking for this forever

Did not Catalyst 10.2 bring game profiles? All you need to do is download a XML file from AMD site...

[Chickenfeed]

Did not Catalyst 10.2 bring game profiles? All you need to do is download a XML file from AMD site...

He is wanting discrete game profiles like Nvidia's CP has had for years now (allowing you to have IQ settings set per game, not just global ). AMD has just added crossfire profiles (the XML ) which can be independantly updated ( between driver updates - eg similar to EVGAs SLI updates you could say... ) Driver wise, that is the thing I miss most about Nvidia drivers. Is it reason enough to sway my decision one or the other... probaley not. However it is a plus for their side of the fence.

[Behemot]

He is wanting discrete game profiles like Nvidia's CP has had for years now (allowing you to have IQ settings set per game, not just global ). AMD has just added crossfire profiles (the XML ) which can be independantly updated ( between driver updates - eg similar to EVGAs SLI updates you could say... ) Driver wise, that is the thing I miss most about Nvidia drivers. Is it reason enough to sway my decision one or the other... probaley not. However it is a plus for their side of the fence.

Thnx for clearing things up

[eric66]

This is specially true for me. My 295 is faster than a 5870 at all levels, and drivers apart, (because CCC is a real PITA), if the 480 doesn't beat my 295 by a considerable margin there's no reason for me to change video card to a 480.

I want a bit more of juice than the 295 can deliver and the logical step would be a 5970 in case the 480 fails to impress. Thing is... The software sucks to be real honest about CCC, when will ATI deliver simple stuff like game profiles, i've been asking for this forever

I need AA8x for Crysis, but then i want to force AA16x in older games. Some games i want them with Vsync, some others i have to disable it (video card fails to deliver constant 60+fps) and i want all of this to be automatic when i start the game like nVidia drivers do.

I really like the 5970, don't get me wrong, but i always feel that something's missing when i use my other PC with the 4870x2 in it, this keeps me away from ATI for now

yours is more like disease thank god i go with whatever i want and really try hard to like it

[Hu1kamania]

This is specially true for me. My 295 is faster than a 5870 at all levels, and drivers apart, (because CCC is a real PITA), if the 480 doesn't beat my 295 by a considerable margin there's no reason for me to change video card to a 480.

I want a bit more of juice than the 295 can deliver and the logical step would be a 5970 in case the 480 fails to impress. Thing is... The software sucks to be real honest about CCC, when will ATI deliver simple stuff like game profiles, i've been asking for this forever

I need AA8x for Crysis, but then i want to force AA16x in older games. Some games i want them with Vsync, some others i have to disable it (video card fails to deliver constant 60+fps) and i want all of this to be automatic when i start the game like nVidia drivers do.

I really like the 5970, don't get me wrong, but i always feel that something's missing when i use my other PC with the 4870x2 in it, this keeps me away from ATI for now

This exactly echoes my concerns with ATi. I love being able to play around with individual game settings and to be able to force certain settings when needed. I did find this app, which is similar to nHancer but it looks like it is not as refined.