The GT300/Fermi Thread - Part 2!

[saaya]

I like your style saaya, you put a lot of thought into your posts!

sometimes

The only thing, from a business standpoint, that you seemed to have forgotten is the impact of customer loyalty. My own assumption is that if the nVidia solution is within 10% performance of the AMD solution (meaning nVidia = 90%, AMD = 100%), the broader market will prefer nVidia. For a bit of proof on this assumption, take a look at how popular the 8500GT's, 8600GT's, 9500GT's, and GT220's are in the mass market, when compared to the HD3650's, HD4550's, HD4650's, and HD4670's. The AMD solutions are faster, priced similarly, but much less popular.

well, i took the prices from newegg because its the most popular shop in the us, by far, and there is no better way to meassure supply vs demand than to look at what people are willing to pay for a product, right?
there are always people that are willing to pay more, but i dont think they make up such a big percentage... if they would, then the average sales price on newegg would rise... get what i mean?
newegg prices are a good reference point imo for average demand of a product...

and the reason why the cards you mentioned were so popular was largely affected by oem deals i think... the cards you mentioned are the type of cards oem pick and system builders pick... thats a different animal alltogether... even guessing demand in the oem market is beyond anything you can achieve with google as your only research tool

i think nvidia has good relations with oems because they have a very tight grip on their board partners and supply, and can allocate huge amounts of cards if they want to... so if HP wants loooooots of cards, nvidia can basically make the deal and then tell different board partners to each send HP x amount of cards for y price. i think ati hasnt been able to deliver huge orders so well in the past... but im just speculating here...

Actually, Carmack said that Rage doesn't look that great because the game is designed to run at 60fps, that's the target framerate and the detail level reflects this.

Doom 4 however will be aiming at 30fps on the same (maybe even tweeked) engine, this will show how advanced the engine really is.

Edit: Sorry I should really have looked for a link to back this statement up. http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53713

i dont like the idea of 30fps... and i really dont like all those fps limitations in ut3 and doom3 engines that supposedly make the gameplay more fluid... if it works, cool... but so far i found it very annoying and not very useful...

[Olivon]

We have also learned that the smaller version of the Geforce GTX 4xx is supposed to cost about 300 to 400 Euros and the top model about 500 to 600 Euros.

From PCGamesHardware, OTH's link :

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,7...at-Cebit/News/

[saaya]

Doom3 didn't fail to impress. Look at the reviews it got, the gameplay wasn't universally praised but the graphics were. It looked great, as did HL2. But they were shadowed by CryEngine 1 which I guess nobody expected.

what??? it just had bump mapping everywhere, that was it... and as soon as you got close to any texture in the game everything turned blurry and some bump maps even turned into pixels soup!

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/doom3
meta score of reviews 87
meta score of readers 70

and thats a lot, id only give doom3 50 or 60...

Crysis made my jaw drop But HL2 made my heart stop. HL2 is the most technically impressive game to date IMO. 2004 i have to keep telling myself; 6 years ago. Can still play it today and love the way it looks.

i like hl2 a lot more than doom3, but its not really the graphics but more the gameplay that makes it a good game imo... waaay too short and scripted though :/

Geforce GTX 4xx: Fermi graphics card pictured at Cebit
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,7...at-Cebit/News/



http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=22654

whos signature is that on the front of the card?
and i heard 480cores for the gtx480???
so the 480 will NOT have 512cores???
that would explain the low performance claims compared to 5870... if its the 480 with 480 cores that performs about the same as a 5870, then thats not bad actually... but it also means that nvidia wont really be able to charge more than 450$ for this...

[annihilat0r]

I meant graphically, Doom 3 didn't fail to impress. It looked great.

[saaya]

From PCGamesHardware, OTH's link :

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,7...at-Cebit/News/

yeah but what is the top model? the gtx480 with 480 cores or the 480Ultra with 512cores? the latter for 500-600 euros makes somewhat sense, but if its a 480core card and the rumors about same perf as 5870 more or less are true, then 500-600euros for that card is ridiculous...

[annihilat0r]

Where did you read GTX 480 is 480 cores? I looked at all the news today, couldn't see it...

[Piotrsama]

and i heard 480cores for the gtx480???
so the 480 will NOT have 512cores???
that would explain the low performance claims compared to 5870... if its the 480 with 480 cores that performs about the same as a 5870, then thats not bad actually... but it also means that nvidia wont really be able to charge more than 450$ for this...

I think this other quote is the answer you want:

1.5GB of memory means it will have the full allotment of ROPs.

[ajaidev]

Where did you read GTX 480 is 480 cores? I looked at all the news today, couldn't see it...

+1 where

[FischOderAal]

lol @ "Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon XP class processor or higher" "Goddamnit! Crysis runs like crap on my Thoroughbred. I wonder why! I just bought a GTX 480 to play it at full details "

[ElSel10]

and i heard 480cores for the gtx480???
so the 480 will NOT have 512cores???

Sounds like you may have heard wrong?

[MrMojoZ]

lol @ "Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon XP class processor or higher" "Goddamnit! Crysis runs like crap on my Thoroughbred. I wonder why! I just bought a GTX 480 to play it at full details "

Nah, that covers the CPU power needed to run just the drivers.

[zalbard]

A few things we can take away from that:

- PSU rcommendation is the same a the GTX 285

- One 6-pin and one 8-pin connector


1.5GB of memory means it will have the full allotment of ROPs.

And a PCB with very decent VRMs.
Definitely looking good!

[Gilgamesh]

From Cebit, some GTX4xx action:
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,7...at-Cebit/News/

"A little surprise was the product sticker, which mentioned a GF-100-375-A3"

"We have also learned that the smaller version of the Geforce GTX 4xx is supposed to cost about 300 to 400 Euros and the top model about 500 to 600 Euros."

And, GTX4xx reference design:

[Olivon]

From Cebit, some GTX4xx action:
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,7...at-Cebit/News/

"A little surprise was the product sticker, which mentioned a GF-100-375-A3"

"We have also learned that the smaller version of the Geforce GTX 4xx is supposed to cost about 300 to 400 Euros and the top model about 500 to 600 Euros."

And, GTX4xx reference design:

No outputs ? Seems photoshoped but maybe ...

[SKYMTL]

I think this other quote is the answer you want:

That doesn't mean it will be a 512SP card though.

Basically, on this architecture the ROPs scale with the number of memory controllers. Meanwhile, the SPs and TMUs scale together.

For those of you who want to predict what these cards may look like in terms of SPs, TMUs, ROPs, etc., I HIGHLY recommend you READ THIS!!


So far, it looks like one of my predictions already came true.

[kemo]

That doesn't mean it will be a 512SP card though.

Yeah , but it doesn't mean either that it is not 512 , if you have any info plz share

and anybody noticed this

A little surprise was the product sticker, which mentioned a GF-100-375-A3. So the device already reached the third generation, but the product code hasn't been updated to match the recently revealed Geforce GTX 4xx series. Thus the sample is still tagged as a Geforce GTX 375.

Coz a kitty told me that they showed a "lowered" clock 380GTX at the FarCry 2 test

[trinibwoy]

what??? it just had bump mapping everywhere, that was it... and as soon as you got close to any texture in the game everything turned blurry and some bump maps even turned into pixels soup!

Lol man your technical analysis of games always seems to be off base recently. Doom 3 was the first game with full dynamic shadows - a huge deal. HL2's lighting engine was a joke in comparison.

[Tim]

Lol man your technical analysis of games always seems to be off base recently. Doom 3 was the first game with full dynamic shadows - a huge deal. HL2's lighting engine was a joke in comparison.

More like full of shadows.

[zalbard]

"We have also learned that the smaller version of the Geforce GTX 4xx is supposed to cost about 300 to 400 Euros and the top model about 500 to 600 Euros."

Oh, I was spot on then. Around $650-700 for the top card (not dual GF100).
Those who thought that GTX470 would cost 250$, GTX480 - $400, and dual GF100 - $500 (ROFL), you guys were waaaaay off as me and many other people told you...
Now, performance! This is something I'd absolutely love to know!

[trinibwoy]

More like full of shadows.

Heh, that too.

Give me a $1000 card as long as there's performance to match.

[annihilat0r]

Oh, I was spot on then. Around $650-700 for the top card (not dual GF100).

No you weren't. 500-600 euros in Europe mean 500-600 USD for USA.

[kemo]

No you weren't. 500-600 euros in Europe mean 500-600 USD for USA.

More Like 550-650$ , you are both wrong

[annihilat0r]

this card is not going to cost 700 dollars. I can assure you that. Of course that's excluding the mandatory price gouging due to low availability

[Sam_oslo]

Oh, I was spot on then. Around $650-700 for the top card (not dual GF100).
Those who thought that GTX470 would cost 250$, GTX480 - $400, and dual GF100 - $500 (ROFL), you guys were waaaaay off as me and many other people told you...
Now, performance! This is something I'd absolutely love to know!

These pries are indicating a superior GF100, so stay tuned for some good performance. At least if the price is not faked up and pumped up (either by these guys or nVidia).

[zerazax]

These pries are indicating a superior GF100, so stay tuned for some good performance. At least if the price is not faked up and pumped up (either by these guys or nVidia).

Not really, high end cards never scale price linearly with performance