The GT300/Fermi Thread

[orangekiwii]

Lol dx9 games looking real nice?

The only games that look "nice" to me on dx9 is


crysis, crysis warhead, l4d - l4d2, tf2, call of duty 4 (stretching it)

all of these games came out (except for l4d2) over a year ago - most over 2 years ago and yet games still look ty today

Blame consoles - i really want a new card but in all honesty my gtx285 (while dying) still plays all of these games great - even crysis

theres no REAL point in buying a 'gamer' card until the next-gen consoles release as thats the only time you'll start to see better graphics again and that probably won't be until 2011

As much as I hate to say this - there is really no need for anyone to buy any new card today - the price isn't worth it when any cheaper card will do (even up to 1920 by 1200) cheaper cards still perform great for "new" games it's simply a waste of money - for 3 generations we've had cards that can play crysis - l4d - tf2 - cod 4 (8800gtx) at high/ultra settings and yet we keep getting better and better cards FOR WHAT? all the new games that perform poorly - its not the gpu its the coding - why does fallout 3 get 50 fps on my card - it looks like and its a clear console port why should I get better fps in cod4 which also LOOKS better.

Don't get a new card so you can play games at better fps - its the developers responsibility to stop building piece of s and not your responsibility as a consumer to buy a 500$ gpu just so you can play that piece of


Seriously I know of very few good games and every game i've bought since cod 4 (including the l4d series somewhat) I've regretting buying as they not only look like crap, perform like crap, they also ARE crap there is nothing worth noting gameplay wise in them - stories are undertold - dialog blows - scripting is pathetic - open world gameplay isn't openworld - it's seriously a joke how much PC gaming sucks atm



/endrant

[Blacky]

is that news are true nvidia is sooo ed right now :/, the sad thing is theres no point to keep launching powerful products to run console ports :x

[Marios]

Digitimes

Nvidia originally scheduled to launch Fermi in November 2009, but was delayed until CES in January 2010 due to defects, ...
Nvidia plans to launch a 40nm GDDR5 memory-based Fermi-GF100 GPU in March ...

Rumors about defects? LOL! and ... Fermi was delayed until CES!! Oh really? ... and on Monday 28 December 2009 they are talking about a March Fermi release?! LOL.
Don't they ever read official statements like the following made on Nov. 16, 2009 from Nvidia?
Nvidia

Editors’ note: As previously announced, the first Fermi-based consumer (GeForce®) products are expected to be available first quarter 2010.

[Chumbucket843]

is that news are true nvidia is sooo ed right now :/, the sad thing is theres no point to keep launching powerful products to run console ports :x

nvidia/ATi realized this a while ago. thats why they are adding features like physx, 3d vision, gpgpu, etc and ATi is doing the same with eyefinity, ssaa, 3d bluray, gpgpu, etc. both companies know their hardware is capable of more than just running console ports so why not find new markets?

[eric66]

I would buy a new nVidia card, if i found a justification for it. There's nothing worth buying a new card for right now, unless you are building a new machine. I mean come on, Dirt2? Even AVP won't have any DX11-noticeable effects i bet. New games are mostly DX9 based and still look real nice.

you bet lol have you even watched youtube videos

[Cybercat]

you bet lol have you even watched youtube videos

I have and the HDSSAO and tessellation barely do squat to the game in motion unless you like playing in wireframe mode.

But hey it'll probably cut your framerate in half so it must be worth it!

[Manicdan]

tessellation is really nice, as long as its used properly. some of us would love to see larger objects get a few more polygons, but adding a million just to the tail of an Alien is probably a little excessive. i cant stand it when i see a character models with enough polygons to run on a PS2. i think distance adaptive tessellation would be pretty useful, as things get closer they add a few more layers. nothing major, just smooth up some details while they are just out of range of being noticed.

[Chumbucket843]

dirt 2 just has a dx11 label on it, nothing more. the reason tessellation cuts your framerate down is because it takes considerably more poly's to make a real benefit.
http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/pc/20...-look-dirt-2/3

[annihilat0r]

nvidia/ATi realized this a while ago. thats why they are adding features like physx, 3d vision, gpgpu, etc and ATi is doing the same with eyefinity, ssaa, 3d bluray, gpgpu, etc. both companies know their hardware is capable of more than just running console ports so why not find new markets?

Remember that there will come a next generation of consoles, and Sony&Microsoft obviously will want to use the best cards for their consoles. So both AMD and Nvidia need to stay in great shape for the next console iteration, to produce the fastest solutions possible at the time PS4 and stuff are released.

All those don't change fact that even a single 5870 can be overkill most of the time if you don't use Eyefinity, though.

[Chumbucket843]

thats true, but the speed does not matter to consumers if its not needed, kind of how cpu's are now. they definitely care about performance but its not going to sell their cards like it used to.

they probably started to design the chips for next consoles this year and publishers will get the word a few years before launch which is most likely 2012ish. MS will go with ATi, sony will use laughabee and nintendo will probably go with an ATi chip if history repeats itself.

[saaya]

Remember that there will come a next generation of consoles, and Sony&Microsoft obviously will want to use the best cards for their consoles.

right, like the past and current consoles featured the best gpus at their time... NOT

they care about cost first of all and perf is secondary.
especially after the wiis success they will think twice if they really need that much perf. not to mention that without a hdtv most of the graphics perf is waste anyhow

[saaya]

btw, where are all those guys shouting
"fermi is launching on november! you guys have no idea what your talking about! pure pr! gt300 is coming this christmas and will kick 4ss!"?

[ajaidev]

NVIDIA Fun Fact of the Week: GF100 can also do 100% of the hardware decode required for Blu-ray 3D playback.

NVIDIA
yes, for watching Blu-ray 3D content, you will need to use active-shutter glasses. This is as dictated by the Blu-ray Disc Association. 3D Vision already works with Blu-ray 3D content. If you are at CES in January, swing by our booth and check it out. It looks really impressive, equal to or better than what you get in theaters today.

NVIDIA
Guys/gals: GF100 is shipping in Q1. We haven't shifted our launch. Q1 is it.
2 hours ago

nvidia facebook

[Jowy Atreides]

Who runs Nvidia's facebook?

Engineers? The CEO? Hardware Designers?

..what, it's just some kids they hire to keep it updated?

//god, they must be telling the truth

[annihilat0r]

right, like the past and current consoles featured the best gpus at their time... NOT

they care about cost first of all and perf is secondary.
especially after the wiis success they will think twice if they really need that much perf. not to mention that without a hdtv most of the graphics perf is waste anyhow

Trying for faster GPUs kind of means lowering the cost for a certain value GPU as well.

Also, I think the RSX, when it was announced, looked like overwhelmingly fast. Obviously, the G80 came before PS3 was released and smoked it, though

[JohnZS]

Quadro Fermi's would be able to drive up to 4 displays without the need to purchase an additional NVS enabled card, I cannot say whether all 4 displays would run in 3d (perhaps only 2 or 1? Maybe all 4?!?) however IF this technology is implimented on the consumer Fermi boards it will give competition to ATi's Eyeinfiniti for those who have the desk space and don't mind playing distorted games through a window.
John

[Jowy Atreides]

Quadro Fermi's would be able to drive up to 4 displays without the need to purchase an additional NVS enabled card, I cannot say whether all 4 displays would run in 3d (perhaps only 2 or 1? Maybe all 4?!?) however IF this technology is implimented on the consumer Fermi boards it will give competition to ATi's Eyeinfiniti for those who have the desk space and don't mind playing distorted games through a window.
John

You see, there's only one problem...

Eyefinity runs from one card. You don't need to buy multiple, massively priced, power-drinking gpu's

a cheap 5670 and you're set

[randomizer]

Nvidia delays Fermi to March 2010; AMD to launch new GPU in January-Februar ....

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20091228PD207.html

All lies, Fermi will launch in November 09. My sources confirmed it.

[annihilat0r]

All lies, Fermi will launch in November 09. My sources confirmed it.

Yes, I have that secret information too.

It will be launched on a Tuesday.

[hennyo]

I know this is old news, but wasn't the release going to be November if A0 turned out with high enough yields and clocks. Also that was the same story with late December with A1. The current February to March time line is based on good A2 silicon. I always thought that hoping A0 turned out perfect was a REALLY long shot, but there was at least a little bit of hope for A1, but it didn't materialize.

Thinking about it, I think my silicon revision numbers are off by one, they should all be one higher.

[annihilat0r]

yeah you're 1 off, the current rev is A3 I think

[saaya]

Also, I think the RSX, when it was announced, looked like overwhelmingly fast. Obviously, the G80 came before PS3 was released and smoked it, though

afaik rsx is slower than a 7800gtx, and xenos is slower than its desktop equivalent as well, the xbox1 gpu was a geforce 3.5 and at that time gf4 was already out too i think... nintendo64 was based on a tnt2 when we had geforce2 cards already... i think the xbox1 was actually the closest to desktop perf, gpu wise...

I know this is old news, but wasn't the release going to be November if A0 turned out with high enough yields and clocks. Also that was the same story with late December with A1. The current February to March time line is based on good A2 silicon. I always thought that hoping A0 turned out perfect was a REALLY long shot, but there was at least a little bit of hope for A1, but it didn't materialize.

Thinking about it, I think my silicon revision numbers are off by one, they should all be one higher.

your right about dates for the revisions i think, but theres already a3 now, and there might even be a4...
and sorry, if your in this business for as long as nvidia is, and then claim a0 silicon will be close to perfect and you will launch it... then thats not misjudging your "luck" or running into a problem at tsmc, thats a blatant lie...

its like an experienced car mechanic telling you he can change all 4 tires on your car in 20seconds... thats not a "whoops, i thought it could be done" or "how odd, i could have sworn i managed to do this before"

[H2O]

Who runs Nvidia's facebook?

Engineers? The CEO? Hardware Designers?

..what, it's just some kids they hire to keep it updated?

//god, they must be telling the truth

Either way, it's still remarkable that they admitted that. Nvidia is as tight-lipped as they come.

[Andrew LB]

2009 Honda Civic costs around $16K
2009 Audi A4 costs around $35K

They both have 4 wheels, they both can take you from point A to point B quite comfortably. In most US highways the speed limit is 55 - 65 mph/hr which Honda Civic can easily achieve.

According to your logic there is no justification for anybody to purchase an A4. Guess what! It's one of the best-selling luxury cars. You know you want one of these cards. If I give one to you for free, you wouldn't say "No, I don't need it. Most games still use DX9" You can lie to yourself all you want but, don't expect people to buy your argument.

Perhaps I'm the exception in your hypothetical. If you handed me a free card I'd simply sell it off because I'm currently quite happy with my current GTX285, 8800GTS for Physx, and nVidia's great drivers.

I'd much rather spend my extra cash on modifications for the 2010 Audi A4 that should be arriving here in 3-4 weeks from Germany.

And yes, Audi's rule.

Here is my current A4 before I started modding it.

[saaya]

they sure do... i visited audis hq when i worked for amd... really nice people...
they are all about perfection... really motivated, really bright, really friendly...

i also visited mercedes and vw, vw was a nightmare, its a like a government agency from the 50s... bmw was cool but they were a bit arrogant and not that motivated and innovative.

anyhow, you bring up a good point!
what exactly does any of us NEED a new videocard for?
except for crysis and stalker there isnt a game out there that needs more horsepower than what current mid-highend cards deliver...
and those two only need it for high res and aa...

and what demanding games that push the envelope are we going to see in 2010?
there might be one or even 2 or 3, but will they be good enough to convince people to spend 300$+ on upgrading so they can play the game at high res?
nvidia is pretty lucky that they stumbled in such a point in time tbh... if they would have stumbled when crysis and stalker came out, and other demanding games were pushing the envelope, it would have hurt them a lot more... gtx275 and 285 and probably even 260 owners can camp with their current cards well within 2010 if not until 2011 until they really need a new vga to play demanding games i think...