The GT300/Fermi Thread

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It sounds like you lack some basic logical reasoning abilities. There is plenty of information about how these firms design chips, and the resulting power specs...maybe you are in denial because nVidia has been selling in a box for the last year? I suggest you go read the tech specs of RV800 (can you find those on your own?) and then read about the JumboDie TM design scheme that nVidia thinks is going to work (and is producing record low yields). A basic understanding of chip physics will tell you that 5890 is definitely going to beat whatever nVidia comes out with in terms of performance/watt. With such crappy yields and ATIs headstart (and opportunity to die shrink and cut prices) they are going to be also losing in performance/dollar. At this point the only thing that nVidia could possibly win at is total XOPS, which considering the differing technologies may be better for WCG etc. at performance/card, but that is a relatively useless metric in any market that matters...

Once again you have no idea what the performance of the high end Fermi based GeForce will be. I actually know some information that is under NDA and it will be considerably faster than the RV870, I can promise you that. Based on the information about Quadro and Tesla you can make a ballpark guess of what the TDP will be but nothing specific. Additionally, current TDPs are likely based off of A2 silicon which will not be the production silicon, further complicating the ability to make any kind of accurate guess.

I'm sorry but with zero information about performance and only very rough guesses about TDP, there is no logical way you can know anything meaningful about performance per watt. Trying to claim otherwise makes you come off as a fool.

Furthermore, so what if perf/watt happens to be lower than that of the 5870? It will definitely be higher than the 5970, that's for sure. Anybody seriously considering buying a gaming card like this isn't going to care if TDP is 190W or 230W (230W was pulled from my arse). They will care about price and performance, both of which Fermi is going to deliver in a big way (and no trolls, I do not mean price will be big).