ok, just want to get this straight-- so let's say I'm prime stable at 1.375 with 0.848 vref(cpu). Are u saying I should start by lowering vRef but keep vCore at 1.375? I am trying to follow what you're saying about lowering the vRef but not sure if u mean lower them both together (vCore + Ref) or just adjust the vref by itself and keep vCore fixed. In the bios, as soon as you touch CPU term, the vRefs start changing on their own. I don't even know what "CPU term" really represents. Googled for hours today to try to find the true meaning and came up basically empty. Man, overclocking quad's on p45 = huge pain in the ar$e