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If AMD would sell these, even in a VERY limited quantity at a high price tag, it would be totally OK. To "camouflage" high leakage retails as this TWKR edition chip, and putting the damn "Not for resale"-label on them is DISGUSTING

i sort of couldnt agree more, what exactly are they marketing here? a chip no mere mortal can have, that achieves clocks that no mere mortal can achieve?

why? the term 'blowing ones own trumpet' comes to mind,

and why market it at all? why not hand it out to the usual peeps who get the ES samples and other cherry picked samples, who are ever so cautios not to tell us what it is they have, and let them keep being ever so cautious about what it is?

If this particular model should count in any rankings then it should be available to the public, and not just the chosen few AMD shipped them out to. It's not a regular model if it's not allowed to be sold!

it wont, i am pretty sure of that, thier own marketing of it has stopped that in its tracks, but one positive of this, is i suppose they are acting in a respectable manner by not leaking these on the QT, and letting the 'ever so cautious' crowd, use them in ranking.

although i will state, this kind of thing, along with the so called F1 tournament is starting to turn my stomach, in respect to an overclocking 'community'

on this forum, gone is the guy who achieves a stable 24/7 OC and shares the details, and others follow it with there rigs at home, discussing what they do with it.

in, is the competitive types who recieve cherry picked chips, and parade it as the norm, basking in the 'glory' they think it achieves

Pi scores, HWbot validation, and so on is the new discussion in open forum, no longer restrained to the Xtreme Overclocking thread.

there was allways the xtreme clockers, and there allways will be, its just the little guys seem to be gone now, but thats just my opinion.

no dought, i will be now be seen to be 'jealous' or 'envious' , or trying to cause trouble with my views on this, but hey thats others opinions, this couldnt be more from the truth.'