Confirmed: Feser 1 Blue Premix + GTZ = do NOT want

[millertime359]

Indeed I am, tonight after my girlfriend goes home I will re-assemble the loop and get the system running

Your going to have the energy to do that?

[RoadconeTuning]

im kinda concerned about my F1 Acid Green fluid now... i guess i'll find out soon enough, going to be running it on an OC'd Q6600 and GTZ block.

[millertime359]

im kinda concerned about my F1 Acid Green fluid now... i guess i'll find out soon enough, going to be running it on an OC'd Q6600 and GTZ block.

What tubing? I've got this theory it does have to do with the anti-microbial in that tubing. If i had a second system, i would order some and test it, but I don't

[DemonEyez]

Could it be that the Feser was mixed with water?

Got this from another forum:

Koper (II) oxide is black.

It can be made by boiling a suspension of Cu(OH)2 in water. Though this proces Cu(OH)2 looses water and turn black CuO



So the reaction took place only in the CPU-block because it was heated constantly during crunching as you wrote

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

hmmm, thats quite interesting, although the fluid was pure with no water dilution - the only water that might have been left in extremely small amounts is pure distilled in the blocks from the test bench.

[paul_]

Jeebus, I guess I will see how this plays out before I fill my rig up tonight/tomorrow night... Subscribed out of concern :/

[RoadconeTuning]

ill be running masterkleer tubing but im using Shining Silver barbs...

[3Z3VH]

it really smells strongly of ethylene glycol for not having any in it.... when my parents walked into the kitchen while I was draining they instantly asked "why does it smell like antifreeze in here?"

Just for the record, Ethelyne Glycol doesn't have a strong smell. Antifreeze does.

They add the smell and colour to antifreeze so people don't drink it, otherwise, it looks like water, and has very little smell.

In my loop I use a 50/50 mix of Ethelyne Glycol and distilled that I get form a Semiconductor Fab, so I know it is pure, and has no unnecessary additives. it has no smell whatsoever.

[neo_rtr]

Iam very much tempted to open up my blocks and see what in the devil is going on inside.. iam looking at the water just now and is clean. but then again that dont cound for anything, does it?

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Iam very much tempted to open up my blocks and see what in the devil is going on inside.. iam looking at the water just now and is clean. but then again that dont cound for anything, does it?

well, my water lost all of its color completely before the OP pics so its a little more server than most cases if thats any assurance.

@ 3Z3VH: thansk for clarifying that, I didnt know it was an artificial smell.

[DarthBeavis]

Just for the record, Ethelyne Glycol doesn't have a strong smell. Antifreeze does.

They add the smell and colour to antifreeze so people don't drink it, otherwise, it looks like water, and has very little smell.

In my loop I use a 50/50 mix of Ethelyne Glycol and distilled that I get form a Semiconductor Fab, so I know it is pure, and has no unnecessary additives. it has no smell whatsoever.

I wonder why they make it taste sweet? Why not make it uber bitter?

[millertime359]

Iam very much tempted to open up my blocks and see what in the devil is going on inside.. iam looking at the water just now and is clean. but then again that dont cound for anything, does it?

How are your temps? have they gone up recently. or still about the same? How long has the coolant been in there? You say it still looks the way it looked when you poured it in?

[DemonEyez]

hmmm, thats quite interesting, although the fluid was pure with no water dilution - the only water that might have been left in extremely small amounts is pure distilled in the blocks from the test bench.

hmm, it gets even more confusing... even if there was demi-water mixed with it, it wouldn't matter. This kind of reaction you only get with normal tapped water ( which has minerals in it)

[century child]

Darth, I think the reason it's dangerous to pets is because it smells sweet to them, I don't think it has anything to do with the taste. Whichever though it doesn't have the same effect on humans, just animals.

[millertime359]

ill be running masterkleer tubing but im using Shining Silver barbs...

I wouldn't loose sleep over it. don't think it is the GTZ block and Feser 1 on its own that is doing it. If it was then a lot of people would be screaming about it. I think there are other variables involved in this.

The masterkleer doesn't have any anti-microbial agents in it, so you should be ok.

Also you saw that S_D was crunching 24/7 on that machine too, which have have added to his issue. Are you planning on doing that with your machine?

[RoadconeTuning]

it depends, if i get on a folding kick i'll let it run that for a while since i'll just use my laptop... its just a slight concern... im going to run the F1 in it anyways and see what happens since i've already paid for it and im pretty sure i can clean that crud off it it happens.

[voigts]

Darth, I think the reason it's dangerous to pets is because it smells sweet to them, I don't think it has anything to do with the taste. Whichever though it doesn't have the same effect on humans, just animals.

It has exactly the same effect on humans that it does on pets. It just takes a lot less of it to kill pets than humans due to the fact that most of them are a lot smaller than humans. It however is just as lethal to humans.

[century child]

Voigts, I didn't word that very well. What I meant was it didn't have the same effect in that it doesn't smell or taste sweet to humans. I'm fully aware it will kill a human just as fast as it will an animal.

[bluehaze]

Could it be that the Feser was mixed with water?

Got this from another forum:

Koper (II) oxide is black.

It can be made by boiling a suspension of Cu(OH)2 in water. Though this proces Cu(OH)2 looses water and turn black CuO



So the reaction took place only in the CPU-block because it was heated constantly during crunching as you wrote

Doubt that is it as water temps don't reach boiling in a WC loop, if they ever did you have much bigger problems on your hand than some gunk in your block!

I think it is the anti Microbal tubing, Primochill says it's not released, doesn't matter though because the fluid is still in contact with it the whole time it's running through your loop so it would seem to be the same as mixing them togethor.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

I dont think primochill is the cause..... I have a vga loop in Primochill pro LRT green with feser green fluid pure and that is still running great in the same time frame. The only difference between the 2 loops is restriction

[neo_rtr]

How are your temps? have they gone up recently. or still about the same? How long has the coolant been in there? You say it still looks the way it looked when you poured it in?

I been running a loop Mosfet ->Mosfet->CPU->NB->SB since Feb 2008
In April 2009 i took it apart and added a Hd4870x2 to it.
I even took some cotton to clean the blocks but where was nothing in the oppening and the burbs where very clear (slight cloud i luck of a better word) on then. The tubing was ok.
You can see my sig for details and pics.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&postcount=85

[neo_rtr]

If any one has some faser liquid left can do a simulation.
put in in low heat for some 30mins (without reaching boiling temp) peferably control with a cooking thermometer and see if there is any change into the quality of the color
Then i would do the same together with tap water and see what happends.
On top of that by adding some copper would somehow simulate the high temps from cpu usage
Maybe sounds stupid..but is an idea.

OR

Get some liquid put in a an glassjar together with copper. Shield it air tight leave out so there is direct sunlight and see what happends.

[DarthBeavis]

It has exactly the same effect on humans that it does on pets. It just takes a lot less of it to kill pets than humans due to the fact that most of them are a lot smaller than humans. It however is just as lethal to humans.

yes!

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1...283422,00.html

84 children killed by medicine in Nigeria

By Lydia Polgreen

New York Times News Service
Published: Friday, Feb. 6, 2009 11:28 p.m. MST

DAKAR, Senegal — A toxic chemical mixed into a teething medicine for babies has killed at least 84 children in Nigeria, health officials there said Friday, more than tripling the toll in a wave of infant deaths that began in late November.

The children died after taking a medicine called My Pikin Baby Teething Mixture, a syrup for teething pain, according to Nigeria's Health Ministry. Health officials said that a batch of the medicine that went on sale in November contained diethylene glycol, an industrial solvent and an ingredient in antifreeze and brake fluid.

The chemical looks, smells and tastes like glycerin, a sweet syrup commonly used in a wide range of medicines, foods and toothpaste, and counterfeiters enhance their profit by substituting diethylene glycol, which is relatively cheap, for the more expensive but harmless glycerin.

The chemical causes kidney and liver damage, as well as attacking the central nervous system, causing paralysis that hampers breathing. Children in Nigeria began to get sick in November with unexplained fevers and vomiting. Some stopped urinating, and many had diarrhea. Across the country children with similar symptoms turned up at hospitals amid rising anger and panic.
The high concentration of the syrupy liquid in the teething medicine has made it even more deadly — three-quarters of the children made sick by the medicine have died, the Health Ministry said.

"The poison has caused many deaths in children between the ages of 2 months and 7 years old in Nigeria," Babatunde Osotimehin, Nigeria's minister of health, said in a statement. "The death of any Nigerian child is a great loss to the nation."

Investigators at Nigeria's National Agency for Food, Drug Administration and Control have traced the diethylene glycol to an unlicensed chemical dealer in Lagos, who sold the syrup to the maker of the teething medicine, Barewa Pharmaceuticals. The company has been shut down and investigators have pulled off pharmacy shelves hundreds of bottles of the tainted medicine, but it remains unclear how much of the medicine was manufactured.

Diethylene glycol has figured in mass poisoning cases across the globe. In Panama, 365 people were killed after taking medicine inadvertently tainted with the chemical in a government factory in 2006. The sweet but deadly syrup was labeled glycerin, but it was in fact diethylene glycol from a factory in China. Dozens of children in Haiti died a decade ago after taking contaminated medicine for fevers. In 1990, 109 children died in Nigeria after taking medicine tainted with a similar compound.

[millertime359]

I been running a loop Mosfet ->Mosfet->CPU->NB->SB since Feb 2008
In April 2009 i took it apart and added a Hd4870x2 to it.
I even took some cotton to clean the blocks but where was nothing in the oppening and the burbs where very clear (slight cloud i luck of a better word) on then. The tubing was ok.
You can see my sig for details and pics.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&postcount=85

Your probably fine then

[millertime359]

I dont think primochill is the cause..... I have a vga loop in Primochill pro LRT green with feser green fluid pure and that is still running great in the same time frame. The only difference between the 2 loops is restriction

hmm, well that seems to shoot that idea down. That is so weird that it seems that there is nothing to link everything together.