Dual Case Loop - Project Blue Orbit

[neo_rtr]

This is a new project called Blue Orbit. The idea is to create a dual loop for CPU (NB,SB,Mosfets) and CrossFire HD4870x2. The PC case hosting the HW and one more case made of plexiglass where the pumps, radiators and fans will work to provide the cooling.
Blue Orbit is the name for this case. And Yes there will be few blue mods to it.

System specs:
[Asus MaXiMus Formula SE]
[QX6700@3600]
[PowerColor HD4870X2 2GB GDDR5][EK-FC4870 X2 - Acetal CF]
[D-TEK FuZion CPU with Quad Nozzle]
[ThermoChill PA120.3]
[Laing DDC-1T-PLUS with Alphacool Laing DDC Pro/Ultra top]
[XSPC Dual 5.25" Bay Reservoir for Dual Laing DDC]
[MIPS MCH034 Northbridge MCH003 Southbridge MCH150 Mosfet ]

[Stacker 832] + lots of plexi

The design is based on 3 levels. 2 levels for the watercooling, 1 level for tubing and the pumps, reservoir.
Connecting the two cases together will be done using Bulkhead Quick Release Compression Couplers.

Here is a picture of how the design looks like

By neo_rtr at 2010-01-24

Note about the PA 120.3
I have the new one with 15mm spacing as well the old one with 24.5 spacing
This is why you will see there is a difference with the holes.

Working the acrylic was lots of fun and had to learn along the way
Several mistakes later i come up with this

By neo_rtr, shot with iPhone 3GS at 2010-01-24

Iam waiting for parts to arrive so it will take a week or two before i can update the page. But this is a start.

[shazza]

Great start, and nice project, neo.

(Moved it to the liquid cooling work log section, so we can track your updates).

[neo_rtr]

I am going to use an external PSU seperate from the PC. So with that will power up the fans, ligts, pumps.
It will give 12V about 8amps.

By neo_rtr, shot with Canon EOS 450D at 2010-01-26

I will sleeve the 3 fans to one molex

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Then i will solder the cables for better conductivity

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Some more work and the result

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Details

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By neo_rtr, shot with Canon EOS 450D at 2010-01-26

To put on the TFC Noise absorbers was not an easy task.
Apparently it comes so close to each fun so the 15mm spacing on the PA.120.3 was almost impossible. Have to admit that i cut a small piece.

By neo_rtr, shot with Canon EOS 450D at 2010-01-26

So it looked something like that

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[greg.m]

Man, im so glad youve started with this project. I really cant wait to see it in real action and how itll work with your setup - cpu, nb, sb, mosfets and two 4870x2.
Im sure youll see some great tempts

[neo_rtr]

Starting with the tubes. One common reservoir. Two pumps. Two rads,
Starting with the 1st one

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[neo_rtr]

just for future reference, with my current build iam getting
3DMark Score 19512 Driver Version 8.690.0.0 (10.1)

3DMark Score 19404 Driver Version 8.682.2.0 (9.12)

[neo_rtr]

Work In Progress. No Pc available as it is still down and will not be able to upload any picture until is finished.

[neo_rtr]

Uploading pics. Will write some info later on


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[neo_rtr]

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[neo_rtr]

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[neo_rtr]

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[greg.m]

I most like the empty glass of wine on your desk That means a lot
But seriously man give us your temps - which im sure with this construction will be ridiculously low. You tent to be the master of watercooling

[neo_rtr]

Field Value
Sensor Properties
Sensor Type W83627DHG + W83791D + ADT7475 + ADP3228 (ISA 290h, SMB 2Ch/2Eh/20h)
GPU Sensor Type Analog Devices ADT7473, Volterra VT1165 (ATI-I2C 2Eh, 70h)
Motherboard Name Asus Maximus Formula / Rampage Formula
Chassis Intrusion Detected No

Temperatures
Motherboard 36 °C (97 °F)
CPU 37 °C (99 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #1 37 °C (99 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #2 41 °C (106 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #3 35 °C (95 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #4 35 °C (95 °F)
North Bridge 35 °C (95 °F)
South Bridge 31 °C (88 °F)
GPU1: GPU 36 °C (97 °F)
GPU1: GPU Diode (DispIO) 34 °C (93 °F)
GPU1: GPU Diode (MemIO) 34 °C (93 °F)
GPU1: GPU Diode (Shader) 32 °C (90 °F)
GPU1: GPU Memory 35 °C (95 °F)
GPU1: GPU Ambient 34 °C (93 °F)
GPU1: GPU VRM 34 °C (93 °F)
GPU2: GPU Diode (DispIO) 32 °C (90 °F)
GPU2: GPU Diode (MemIO) 38 °C (100 °F)
GPU2: GPU Diode (Shader) 35 °C (95 °F)
GPU2: GPU VRM 36 °C (97 °F)
GPU3: GPU 35 °C (95 °F)
GPU3: GPU Diode (DispIO) 32 °C (90 °F)
GPU3: GPU Diode (MemIO) 36 °C (97 °F)
GPU3: GPU Diode (Shader) 34 °C (93 °F)
GPU3: GPU Memory 35 °C (95 °F)
GPU3: GPU Ambient 33 °C (91 °F)
GPU3: GPU VRM 39 °C (102 °F)
SAMSUNG HD501LJ 24 °C (75 °F)

Cooling Fans
Fan #1 1318 RPM
Fan #3 1278 RPM
GPU1 27%
GPU2 40%
GPU3 38%

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.50 V
+3.3 V 3.12 V
+5 V 4.85 V
+12 V 11.93 V
+5 V Standby 4.73 V
FSB VTT 1.62 V
North Bridge Core 1.71 V
South Bridge Core 1.15 V
South Bridge PLL 1.62 V
DIMM 2.16 V
DIMM VTT 1.07 V
GPU1: GPU Vcc 3.17 V
GPU1: GPU Memory 1.59 V
GPU1: GPU VRM 1.06 V
GPU2: GPU VRM 1.06 V
GPU3: GPU Vcc 3.17 V
GPU3: GPU Memory 1.61 V
GPU3: GPU VRM 1.01 V

Current Values
CPU 46.85 A
GPU1: GPU VRM 10.84 A
GPU2: GPU VRM 9.48 A
GPU3: GPU VRM 10.84 A

Power Values
CPU 63.73 W

[neo_rtr]

I was expecting few more comments.. Hmm.

[shazza]

Very interesting build. Like the use of the orange fans and blue tubing - but most importantly, looks like you've met your performance goals. Love it when people do scratch builds.

A hint on your sleeving - I find it helps to take the heat shrink farther up - actually onto the pin just below the little flanges. This way the heat shrink goes all the way into the connector (note, this can vary with the thickness of different heatshrinks).

[Wezly]

Sorry, I've been too busy taking notes and ideas from this.

I need to have my rads and pumps housed externally as well.

What did you use to cut the plexi?

[neo_rtr]

Sorry, I've been too busy taking notes and ideas from this.

I need to have my rads and pumps housed externally as well.

What did you use to cut the plexi?

Dont have a circular saw. I used a normal one (by hand) but it was taking for ever so i got variable-speed jigsaw (speed was on the 2 level out of 8 i believe) very slow.. a bit more faster and it melts the plexi.
What i should have done is to cut it with a 45% angle as it helps when using the glue.
The blade is one fine point one. (small gap,teeth). get uncoated ones. mine where coated causing the paint to come off and create more friction.

[Wezly]

Well, I'll look into that, thank you.

But, now that I know of the angles and melting, I may seek a hole-saw. What glue did you use and why? What seal had to be made?

[neo_rtr]

Well, I'll look into that, thank you.

But, now that I know of the angles and melting, I may seek a hole-saw. What glue did you use and why? What seal had to be made?

The seal dont have to be 100% as there is not very important.

I used a 2 compound epoxy type glue. Not sure if it was the "correct one" but worked out okey.
My problem was applying the glue to the suface. Probably a pencil or syringe methoed is better. Also the sides of the material need support so you get 90degrees when attaching each side.
check http://www.clearpc.ca/ to get ideas of the various parts you may need.

PS
I did try to have a shop cutting the plexi but the price tag was to high.

[neo_rtr]

Need some advise. I am having a two pump - 1 XSPC bay. Iam not sure about the flow/pressure. I just think its lower than expected. The tech specs for the pumps are within parameters (tube length). But overall it might be the long tubes. I figure under 2m all together.
Any thoughts about that? For example the crossfire has 2x90degree . 2x45 degree fittings. 1x PA120.3
Also having Phobya quick coupling kit bulkhead 13/10mm
http://www.aquatuning.co.uk/product_...d-13-10mm.html

[neo_rtr]

My initials Temps at start up.
Field Value
GPU1: GPU Diode (MemIO) 27 °C (81 °F)
Sensor Properties
GPU1: GPU Diode (Shader) 24 °C (75 °F)
Sensor Type W83627DHG + W83791D + ADT7475 + ADP3228 (ISA 290h, SMB 2Ch/2Eh/20h)
GPU1: GPU Memory 28 °C (82 °F)
GPU Sensor Type Analog Devices ADT7473, Volterra VT1165 (ATI-I2C 2Eh, 70h, 70h)
GPU1: GPU Ambient 26 °C (79 °F)
Motherboard Name Asus Maximus Formula / Rampage Formula
GPU1: GPU VRM 26 °C (79 °F)
Chassis Intrusion Detected No
GPU2: GPU Diode (DispIO) 26 °C (79 °F)

GPU2: GPU Diode (MemIO) 30 °C (86 °F)
Temperatures
GPU2: GPU Diode (Shader) 28 °C (82 °F)
Motherboard 26 °C (79 °F)
GPU2: GPU VRM 29 °C (84 °F)
CPU 29 °C (84 °F)
GPU3: GPU 28 °C (82 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #1 30 °C (86 °F)
GPU3: GPU Diode (DispIO) 26 °C (79 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #2 32 °C (90 °F)
GPU3: GPU Diode (MemIO) 28 °C (82 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #3 29 °C (84 °F)
GPU3: GPU Diode (Shader) 28 °C (82 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #4 29 °C (84 °F)
GPU3: GPU Memory 28 °C (82 °F)
North Bridge 28 °C (82 °F)
GPU3: GPU Ambient 26 °C (79 °F)
South Bridge 25 °C (77 °F)
GPU3: GPU VRM 31 °C (88 °F)
GPU1: GPU 29 °C (84 °F)
GPU4: GPU Diode (DispIO) 25 °C (77 °F)
GPU1: GPU Diode (DispIO) 26 °C (79 °F)
GPU4: GPU Diode (MemIO) 24 °C (75 °F)
GPU1: GPU Diode (MemIO) 27 °C (81 °F)
GPU4: GPU Diode (Shader) 26 °C (79 °F)
GPU1: GPU Diode (Shader) 24 °C (75 °F)
GPU4: GPU VRM 31 °C (88 °F)
GPU1: GPU Memory 28 °C (82 °F)
SAMSUNG HD501LJ 16 °C (61 °F)
GPU1: GPU Ambient 26 °C (79 °F)

GPU1: GPU VRM 26 °C (79 °F)
Cooling Fans
GPU2: GPU Diode (DispIO) 27 °C (81 °F)
Fan #1 1318 RPM
GPU2: GPU Diode (MemIO) 30 °C (86 °F)
Fan #3 1241 RPM
GPU2: GPU Diode (Shader) 28 °C (82 °F)
GPU1 27%
GPU2: GPU VRM 29 °C (84 °F)
GPU2 40%
GPU3: GPU 28 °C (82 °F)
GPU3 38%
GPU3: GPU Diode (DispIO) 26 °C (79 °F)
GPU4 40%
GPU3: GPU Diode (MemIO) 28 °C (82 °F)

GPU3: GPU Diode (Shader) 28 °C (82 °F)
Voltage Values
GPU3: GPU Memory 28 °C (82 °F)
CPU Core 1.50 V
GPU3: GPU Ambient 26 °C (79 °F)
+3.3 V 3.10 V
GPU3: GPU VRM 31 °C (88 °F)
+5 V 4.85 V
GPU4: GPU Diode (DispIO) 24 °C (75 °F)
+12 V 11.87 V
GPU4: GPU Diode (MemIO) 24 °C (75 °F)
+5 V Standby 4.70 V
GPU4: GPU Diode (Shader) 26 °C (79 °F)
FSB VTT 1.62 V
GPU4: GPU VRM 31 °C (88 °F)
North Bridge Core 1.71 V
SAMSUNG HD501LJ 16 °C (61 °F)
South Bridge Core 1.15 V

South Bridge PLL 1.63 V
Cooling Fans
DIMM 2.18 V
Fan #1 1318 RPM
DIMM VTT 1.07 V
Fan #3 1241 RPM
GPU1: GPU Vcc 3.17 V
GPU1 27%
GPU1: GPU Memory 1.59 V
GPU2 40%
GPU1: GPU VRM 1.06 V
GPU3 38%
GPU2: GPU VRM 1.06 V
GPU4 40%
GPU3: GPU Vcc 3.17 V

GPU3: GPU Memory 1.59 V
Voltage Values
GPU3: GPU VRM 1.01 V
CPU Core 1.50 V
GPU4: GPU VRM 1.06 V
+3.3 V 3.10 V

+5 V 4.85 V
Current Values
+12 V 11.87 V
CPU 79.85 A
+5 V Standby 4.73 V
GPU1: GPU VRM 11.52 A
FSB VTT 1.62 V
GPU2: GPU VRM 9.48 A
North Bridge Core 1.71 V
GPU3: GPU VRM 10.16 A
South Bridge Core 1.15 V
GPU4: GPU VRM 9.48 A
South Bridge PLL 1.63 V

DIMM 2.18 V
Power Values
DIMM VTT 1.07 V
CPU 109.05 W
GPU1: GPU Vcc 3.17 V
GPU1: GPU Memory 1.59 V
GPU1: GPU VRM 1.06 V
GPU2: GPU VRM 1.06 V
GPU3: GPU Vcc 3.17 V
GPU3: GPU Memory 1.59 V
GPU3: GPU VRM 1.01 V
GPU4: GPU VRM 1.06 V

Current Values
CPU 79.85 A
GPU1: GPU VRM 11.52 A
GPU2: GPU VRM 9.48 A
GPU3: GPU VRM 10.16 A
GPU4: GPU VRM 9.48 A

Power Values
CPU 109.05 W


FURMARK Contest Test
# Renderer: ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2
# Number of Active GPUs: 2
# Graphics Drivers: Catalyst 10.2 - 8.702-100202a-095693C-ATI 2-2-2010
# GPU Temperatures (start/end):27°C / 38°C


Playing Mass Effect
Field Value
Sensor Properties
Sensor Type W83627DHG + W83791D + ADT7475 + ADP3228 (ISA 290h, SMB 2Ch/2Eh/20h)
GPU Sensor Type Analog Devices ADT7473, Volterra VT1165 (ATI-I2C 2Eh, 70h, 70h)
Motherboard Name Asus Maximus Formula / Rampage Formula
Chassis Intrusion Detected No

Temperatures
Motherboard 24 °C (75 °F)
CPU 23 °C (73 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #1 23 °C (73 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #2 25 °C (77 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #3 22 °C (72 °F)
CPU #1 / Core #4 22 °C (72 °F)
North Bridge 21 °C (70 °F)
South Bridge 16 °C (61 °F)
GPU1: GPU 27 °C (81 °F)
GPU1: GPU Diode (DispIO) 24 °C (75 °F)
GPU1: GPU Diode (MemIO) 25 °C (77 °F)
GPU1: GPU Diode (Shader) 22 °C (72 °F)
GPU1: GPU Memory 26 °C (79 °F)
GPU1: GPU Ambient 23 °C (73 °F)
GPU1: GPU VRM 24 °C (75 °F)
GPU2: GPU Diode (DispIO) 25 °C (77 °F)
GPU2: GPU Diode (MemIO) 30 °C (86 °F)
GPU2: GPU Diode (Shader) 26 °C (79 °F)
GPU2: GPU VRM 31 °C (88 °F)
GPU3: GPU 25 °C (77 °F)
GPU3: GPU Diode (DispIO) 23 °C (73 °F)
GPU3: GPU Diode (MemIO) 26 °C (79 °F)
GPU3: GPU Diode (Shader) 24 °C (75 °F)
GPU3: GPU Memory 26 °C (79 °F)
GPU3: GPU Ambient 24 °C (75 °F)
GPU3: GPU VRM 29 °C (84 °F)
GPU4: GPU Diode (DispIO) 22 °C (72 °F)
GPU4: GPU Diode (MemIO) 22 °C (72 °F)
GPU4: GPU Diode (Shader) 25 °C (77 °F)
GPU4: GPU VRM 31 °C (88 °F)
SAMSUNG HD501LJ 11 °C (52 °F)

Cooling Fans
Fan #1 1278 RPM
Fan #3 1241 RPM
GPU1 27%
GPU2 40%
GPU3 38%
GPU4 40%

Voltage Values
CPU Core 1.50 V
+3.3 V 3.10 V
+5 V 4.82 V
+12 V 11.87 V
+5 V Standby 4.70 V
FSB VTT 1.62 V
North Bridge Core 1.71 V
South Bridge Core 1.15 V
South Bridge PLL 1.63 V
DIMM 2.16 V
DIMM VTT 1.09 V
GPU1: GPU Vcc 3.16 V
GPU1: GPU Memory 1.59 V
GPU1: GPU VRM 1.06 V
GPU2: GPU VRM 1.06 V
GPU3: GPU Vcc 3.15 V
GPU3: GPU Memory 1.59 V
GPU3: GPU VRM 1.01 V
GPU4: GPU VRM 1.06 V

Current Values
CPU 75.19 A
GPU1: GPU VRM 12.19 A
GPU2: GPU VRM 11.52 A
GPU3: GPU VRM 10.16 A
GPU4: GPU VRM 9.48 A

Power Values
CPU 102.67 W

[neo_rtr]

Mod on the external PSU. I was having 1 "rail" 12V. The thing is that was dropping about 1,4-1,6V at the pumps.
So remember that it was a 5pin Din adapter in the beginning.
I took 2 of the other cables and added a second molex to them so
Now i have 1 light-> 3x Fans ->3xFans->1 cold cathode Uv lamp on the 1st rail
and the 2x punps on the second rail where i have 11.85V

Pre-mod pic

[neo_rtr]

I would like to use a Bulgin Style "Latching" Vandal 5 pol Switch to control the 12V rail from the PSU to my watercooled pumps.
I cant figure out how to connect the wiring.
Lets say i have a molex connector 12V + with two cables 12v/Grd
i would like to install the switch in between so i can power On and Off the pump

in effect i want to do this

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/im...e_Harness.html

I have all the parts.
Question is how the wiring is done

[neo_rtr]

To answer my own question
Found this image


By connecting the Bulgin Style Latching Vandal switch to the
NC (red cable) Com (black cable) directly from the 12V molex in effect was shutting the circuit
New remember i get two 12V rails from this PSU. So to my surprise i was able to control both of them. Which i do now. Also connected the two + / - from the other 12v rail to get the light on the switch and dada!
Minor side effect is that since i have already a power on switch that i must turn /on/off as well. if not will blink indicating that somethings is wrong. That it self turn to be a good thing as other than i do use the PC

[scook9]

That looks awesome man. Good work. The way you ran the two loops in your case is beautiful