Gigabyte EX58-UD5/Extreme Discussion Thread

[rge]

Mine is 940, but using 21 multi. First I would find max bclk with reasonable volts (not max bclk with benching volts) to see if limited, then try stress testing using 16 multi with bclk 191, with mem 8x, uncore 16-17x and see if bclk/mem/uncore issue. If that fails then drop mem to 6x and rule out memory issue.

If that passes, then try qpi 36, uncore 16-17x, mem 8x, multi 20 with turbo on so get 21 multi, bclk 191. loadline enabled, vcore (not sure where to start if you are already using 1.5, hope you dont need that much) but start at 1.45 then work way down if ok, qpi/vtt 1.45 (then do same work way down if stable), DRAM volts 1.64 or 1.66, then I also have qpi pLL, IOH, cpu PLL all set to 1 notch above normal. Buy you might want try cpu PLL a few notches above if yours is vcore hungry.

My guess is you would make your life a lot easier with trying lottery again with D0 (one of the places that sell D0 guaranteed like tank guys), judging by most I have seen easily getting 4.0 easily with low volts, then sell your C0. If you have already tried a lot of volts, you may just have a crappy cpu. Changing mobo's may buy you a few extra mhz, especially benching, but not going to fix a crappy cpu if that is the case.

[xTKxhom3r]

yea i really want a d0 but no one wants a c0 anymore so i doubt ill ever sell it

[The Water Dog]

Can someone here give my some advice on Blck, my Gigabyte UD4P dont want to go over 190.
I think it is becouse i just have played with vcore. Have tried 190x12 on 1,3v and nogo.
I have a D0, and it is fine on 180x21 on 1,22v.

[naokaji]

Can someone here give my some advice on Blck, my Gigabyte UD4P dont want to go over 190.
I think it is becouse i just have played with vcore. Have tried 190x12 on 1,3v and nogo.
I have a D0, and it is fine on 180x21 on 1,22v.

Try with below settings:

Cpu Features:
Diable everything except the following: Turbo, Cpu Cores, Multithreading

QPI set it to x36
Uncore multi will depend on ram multi.

Performance enhance, Extreme can be a bit tricky to get it to work at high clocks, set it to Turbo for the time being, standard doesn't really help (unless you are really pushing the last bit out of the ram) , once you have a stable oc try to raise it back to extreme.

Ram timings, just put it to whatever your ram is rated for, I'd oc the cpu first, then if it's stable add ram clocks / tighten timings (ram speed is not really important for I7 in real world performance).

Loadline Calibration: Enabled

Vcore: this will vary widely from cpu to cpu, I'd start with 1.3, the system will most likely boot, unless you have a miracle chip it won't be stable with any load though, just raise as needed in small steps (up until around 1.4 temps should remain acceptable, above that you will need some serious cooling)

QPI / VTT: My chip loves 1.36, but again, your mileage will vary, start at 1.32 and give it some small bumps until stable.

IOH Core: 1.2

Ram voltage: will depend on the ram

CPU PLL: Leave it on auto, it does not really have a big effect

PCI-E V: Auto

QPI PLL: This helps a lot, just go straight for 1.3

ICH I/O: 1.7

ICH Core: 1.24

[Kougar]

Why do you modify the ICH settings? That's the southbridge, does anyone else suggest this? I'd be curious for some second opinions regarding the QPI PLL setting as well, it's one setting I've not tested as I don't want to damage anything.

I was going to make a post asking about Loadline Calibration as I am looking for more data, but since this is the Gigabyte thread... has anyone already done some testing to determine how much of a lower vCore they get with LLC enabled? So far I've run with it disabled, but my CPU absolutely requires 1.42v with LLC disabled to remain fully stable at 4.2GHz.

[naokaji]

Why do you modify the ICH settings? That's the southbridge, does anyone else suggest this?

About the ICH voltage, it helped a lot above 210 bclk, dunno if there is any logical explanation for it, but if it helps it's fine with me.

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[Kougar]

About the ICH voltage, it helped a lot above 210 bclk, dunno if there is any logical explanation for it, but if it helps it's fine with me.

Well... I do know SATA disks are on the southbridge and those use the PCIe bus now, so it is plausible that if you raised the PCIe frequency then raising the southbridge voltage might somehow help stabilize them. Just a random guess anyway.

[ic3m4n2005]

I have two problems with my UD5 (Bios F6),
1. ET software doesn't show voltages anymore (have seen them on first usage)
2. After changing bclk in ET multi of 21 will not be used anymore

I'm coming from P6T with a Xeon W3520, any hints or tricks for getting me a good setting in the range of 4,2 - 4,4 Ghz ? 4,2 used under 1,3v on P6T with LLC enabled, just for comparison.

Thanks in advance guys

[Sparda]

I have two problems with my UD5 (Bios F6),
1. ET software doesn't show voltages anymore (have seen them on first usage)
2. After changing bclk in ET multi of 21 will not be used anymore

I'm coming from P6T with a Xeon W3520, any hints or tricks for getting me a good setting in the range of 4,2 - 4,4 Ghz ? 4,2 used under 1,3v on P6T with LLC enabled, just for comparison.

Thanks in advance guys

Did you still use the Xeon W3520 ? If so I can post the template. I`m currently playing with it. Got a so-so chip from mindfactory. -.-

Dont use the ET. Use bios.

[emertX]

Well... I do know SATA disks are on the southbridge and those use the PCIe bus now, so it is plausible that if you raised the PCIe frequency then raising the southbridge voltage might somehow help stabilize them. Just a random guess anyway.

Which one ist the SB Voltage?

[Sparda]

Which one ist the SB Voltage?

ICH. Normally I dont need to touch them.

[emertX]

I know, but I wanna raise the pcie clock over 103MHz!
Temporarily it's not possible!

[ic3m4n2005]

Did you still use the Xeon W3520 ? If so I can post the template. I`m currently playing with it. Got a so-so chip from mindfactory. -.-

Dont use the ET. Use bios.

Sure, just changed the mobo to try if i got any further with it.
Template would be awesome

[Sparda]

Sure, just changed the mobo to try if i got any further with it.
Template would be awesome

I dont know how far you already go with it but I´m just right at this clock ; still learning the quirk of the D0. If anyone know a better setting pls post it.
Will try more later this weekend for useable 4.4+GHz HT on and 4.5+GHz HT off.

206x21 - 4.326 Ghz HT on

Advanced CPU Features:
CPU Clock Ratio ................................ [20x]
Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech ...................... [Enabled]
CPU Cores Enabled .............................. [All]
CPU Multi Threading .............................[Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ........................ [DISABLED]
C3/C6/C7 State Support ......................... [DISABLED]
CPU Thermal Monitor ............................ [DISABLED]
CPU EIST Function .............................. [Enabled]
Virtualization Technology ...................... [DISABLED]
Bi-Directional PROCHOT ......................... [DISABLED]

Uncore & QPI Features:
QPI Link Speed .............................. X36
Uncore Frequency ............................(17x) << if stable try x18 or x19
Isonchronous Frequency ......................[Enabled]

Standard Clock Control:
Base Clock (BCLK) Control .......................... [Enabled]
BCLK Frequency (MHz) ................................[206]
PCI Express Frequency (MHz) ........................ [Auto]
C.I.A.2........................................... .. [Disabled]

Advanced Clock Control:
CPU Clock Drive ..............................[800mV]
PCI Express Clock Drive ................... [900mV]
CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]

Advanced DRAM Features:
Performance Enhance ...................... [TURBO]
Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P) ........... [Disabled]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........... [8x]
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) ............. [QUICK]

Channel A + B + C

Channel A Timing Settings:
##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
CAS Latency Time ......................7
tRCD ..................................7
tRP ...................................7
tRAS ..................................24
CR.....................................1

Advanced Voltage Control:
CPU
Load Line Calibration ................. [ENABLED]
CPU Vcore ..............................[1.375] (try between 1.35v - 1.375v)
QPI/VTT Voltage 1.150v .................[1.375] (try between 1.355v - 1.395v )
CPU PLL 1.800v .........................[1.800]

MCH/ICH
PCIE 1.500v ...........................AUTO
QPI PLL 1.100v ........................1.1v - 1.3v    <<< still experimenting 
IOH Core 1.100v ....................... 1.1v - 1.2v    <<< still experimenting 
ICH I/O 1.500v ........................AUTO
ICH Core 1.1v .........................AUTO

DRAM
DRAM Voltage 1.500v ..............[1.660V]
DRAM Termination 0.750v.......... [AUTO]
Ch-A Data VRef. 0.750v ...........[AUTO]
Ch-B Data VRef. 0.750v ...........[AUTO]
Ch-C Data VRef. 0.750v ...........[AUTO]
Ch-A Address VRef. 0.750v ........[AUTO]
Ch-B Address VRef. 0.750v ........[AUTO]
Ch-C Address VRef. 0.750v ........[AUTO] 

[Omarko]

hi guys

I NEED HELP !!!!!!!!!!

I have just built a new rig

i7 920
Gigabyte EX58-UD5 (F6 BIOS)
6GB Corsair 1600Mhz
Quattro 1000W PSU
4870 512MB

I also have SAS controller with 10K sas drives which I set up to be in RAID-0 and installed Vista on it. Also put all latest MS updates and have latest drivers / BIOS for all devices.

So basically up to this point, everything works fine, Vista boots ... performs great.

Now ... I plug in any SATA HDD, it wont boot. When I try to plug in my NEW HDDs I also bought (2x640GB WD Green), it boots into Windows, lets me initialize them but I can't format them. It just says formatting but does nothing (this is same for Quick and Normal format). This happens on both the Intel ICH10R or Gigabyte (JMicron) controller. I tried all ports, all possible settings in BIOS, no diff. really dont know

I tried setting in BIOS both AHCI mode (and yes, I installed the correct Vista drivers) and Standard ... also tried Native IDE and NON-Native .... still same problem. Cant format the HDD.

any thoughts ? please help!!!! I am getting desperate! Any help is much appreciated.

[Kougar]

I have two problems with my UD5 (Bios F6),
1. ET software doesn't show voltages anymore (have seen them on first usage)
2. After changing bclk in ET multi of 21 will not be used anymore

#1 This is odd, ET6 has no problems on my motherboard. Make sure you are using the latest version from their site, NOT the one on the original included disc. (Mine's the 4/17/2009 Build)
#2 This occurs with most software that makes changes within windows from what I know. As everyone has said, make changes in the BIOS to work around this, it's much more stable this way anyway.

As someone had asked:

IOH is the X58 "northbridge" This is the I/O Hub, hence IOH
ICH is the X58 "southbridge" Standard ICH10, just like the ICH9, ICH8, etc before it.

Has anyone verified what the Gigabyte Performance Enhance setting changes now? I tested Turbo and Extreme, but all of the RAM timings/subtimings remained identical... since the IOH is not the MCH anymroe, what is this setting good for?

Sparda, I'm looking at your BIOS settings... why do you have EIST still enabled? This is speedstep, you want to turn that off for high overclocking. Uncore frequency depends heavily on each individual chip, regardless of batch# or anthing else. Chips in the same batch as mine can hit 4GHz Uncore fully stable, mine can't go much above 3.6GHz without going unstable, so I use the 18x setting. Since your memory has an XMP memory profile, you might want to enable that rather than manually setting the correct memory timings. I'm using VTT = 1.3v and IOH = 1.2v for my sig overclock, but I've not attempted to lower these settings further yet.

[ReverendMaynard]

Has anyone verified what the Gigabyte Performance Enhance setting changes now? I tested Turbo and Extreme, but all of the RAM timings/subtimings remained identical... since the IOH is not the MCH anymroe, what is this setting good for?

It's sort of like Perf Level on the P35/45 and X48 boards. I get better results with Turbo, but it slices off some bclks.

[Sparda]

Sparda, I'm looking at your BIOS settings... why do you have EIST still enabled? This is speedstep, you want to turn that off for high overclocking. Uncore frequency depends heavily on each individual chip, regardless of batch# or anthing else. Chips in the same batch as mine can hit 4GHz Uncore fully stable, mine can't go much above 3.6GHz without going unstable, so I use the 18x setting. Since your memory has an XMP memory profile, you might want to enable that rather than manually setting the correct memory timings. I'm using VTT = 1.3v and IOH = 1.2v for my sig overclock, but I've not attempted to lower these settings further yet.

If the EIST is disable , the multi will drop from x21 to x20 after wake up the system from S3. Using S3 since I hate to see and wait at the bootscreen. I dont know much but it kinda bug. So it need to be enable in order to use S3 and turbo. It doesnt have negative effect though afaik.
You are right about the uncore. It can do 4Ghz stable but start flakey at 4.1Ghz My ram doesnt have xmp. It the normal ocz cl7 platinum. Still curious about the ioh and qpi/pll though because I dont need to touch them before.

[Kougar]

It's sort of like Perf Level on the P35/45 and X48 boards. I get better results with Turbo, but it slices off some bclks.

That's what I'm assuming, but there are no tools that show the perf level setting anymore? Memset doesn't run on X58. I guess I should run some SuperPI tests and see if that shows any difference, but I was wanting to at least see or know exactly what it did on X58. It used to be a huge stability issue on Extreme for me with P35, but right now my X58 motherboard doesn't seem to care if I use Turbo/Extreme at all.

Sparda, according to the info you gave you have an option for Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P), unless you didn't delete it when pasting in BIOS settings. This setting is only visible if your memory supports XMP. So if you can see it then you memory supports it.

[ReverendMaynard]

That's what I'm assuming, but there are no tools that show the perf level setting anymore? Memset doesn't run on X58. I guess I should run some SuperPI tests and see if that shows any difference, but I was wanting to at least see or know exactly what it did on X58. It used to be a huge stability issue on Extreme for me with P35, but right now my X58 motherboard doesn't seem to care if I use Turbo/Extreme at all.

Sparda, according to the info you gave you have an option for Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P), unless you didn't delete it when pasting in BIOS settings. This setting is only visible if your memory supports XMP. So if you can see it then you memory supports it.

I can't run Extreme at all, and between my Turbo and Standard scores in Everest shows on all tests that it increasing bandwidth and lowering latency.

When I get my Extreme back in next week, I'd be glad to benches and post up the results.

For now, I'm tearing it up with this eVGA X58 Sli

[naokaji]

Has anyone verified what the Gigabyte Performance Enhance setting changes now? I tested Turbo and Extreme, but all of the RAM timings/subtimings remained identical... since the IOH is not the MCH anymroe, what is this setting good for?

Between standard and Turbo it tightens the Roundtrip latency, but from turbo to extreme it's some hidden setting we can't access so no info on that.

[andyr(uk)]

8b is out for the extreme , anyone tried it yet ?

[rge]

I am using 8b Ex, but the one with new AHCI rom via noangel post on tweaktown (same thread as stasio posts), so far it boots faster through the detection process which is nice, just starting to test other things...

[Kougar]

Okay, I've had time to play with it and have double-checked all three settings.

For my board the roundtrip latency remained unchanged at "59" regardless of Standard, Turbo, or Extreme. All of the timings shown in CPU Tweaker remain unchanged as well.

I did a quick SuperPi 1M run, Standard and Extreme settings was 9.653 and 9.633 seconds respectively. Whatever setting it changes, it has a very minor impact now as compared to previous chipsets.