Why are people saying that all ph2 can hit 3.5-3.6ghz at stock voltage? Looking at the phenom2 list of overclocks in the AMD section it would seem that they do not on average? Am I missing something?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=213248

To be on this list only 2 hours of prime is needed to be considered stable

I will word it this way so as not to upset the AMD emokids.

Intel can not launch a 3.5-4.0ghz quad anytime soon, I know that people can overclock them to this level quite easily but due to allowing for the worst case seniero with thermals i.e hot climates, 5 years worth of dust build up, bad case cooling etc. it is not as easy on a commercial scale.

Then there is the whole stability problem, They can not be on the edge so will have to provide enough v core to make sure that all cpus are stable, They will not be setting up each system individually so will need the vcore higher that what the avg needs to cover the worst.

Always the same thing, AMD say they will launch a 3.1ghz cpu, Fanboys say AMD will launch a 3.5ghz cpu, People interject logic but get labelled fanboys and some people reading start to believe fanboys, AMD launch a 3.1ghz cpu as promised but due to hype some are disappointed. See the pattern