AMD To Crank Up Phenom II Clock-Speeds Upto 3.50 GHz, Planning New Models

[Sparky]

Size , and probably it will cost more than the manufacturing cost of the CPU excluding R&D (don't quote me on this )

HA! I QUOTED YOU!

If it was under 125W for 3.5GHz then you wouldn't need a TRUE to keep it cool enough. Like I stated earlier, the opteron 165 came with a nice quad heatpipe 80mm fan cooler, and that would be enough for 125W easily.

[Zucker2k]

There's no way AMD could have a new stepping.

And the core point is great too. It's impossible because you see people online with TRUE's. That makes a lot of sense.
I'm sure AMD is just far too terrible to come up with any possible solutions.

You don't want to see AMD release a more worthwhile CPU than what they have. That's fine, but don't drag us all through your cynical mud.

Boring posts stating the same thing over and over don't do it for me, sorry.

And I just have to say. If you call
"But you're not interested in logic or optimism, you're into putting people down and rambling incoherently against AMD half the time. So have fun, accomplishing whatever it is you believe you will. All I see is someone who can't stop beating a dead horse."
A personal attack... You must have been raised in a very Chatholic family. And I do therefore apologize profusely for any offense.

Actually you're right; I'm Catholic (at least I consider myself one since I haven't been to church in years). So let's see, you post to affirm what I've already said and proceed to attack me at the same time; hmm, what does that make you? Let me take a wild guess: a protestant?

[Sparky]

Actually you're right; I'm Catholic (at least I consider myself one since I haven't been to church in years). So let's see, you post to affirm what I've already said and proceed to attack me at the same time; hmm, what does that make you? Let me take a wild guess: a protestant?

OK please stop it right there.

There is absolutely no reason to bring religion into this. It is totally IRRELEVANT and AGAINST THE RULES.
Goes for both of you.

[BertM]

occt says 3500mhz 1.35 volt is stable after 1 hour testing.
cpu reached 58 degree which would be below 50 degree if i used blowers on full force.

they only need a small improvement but then we would have no oc headroom.
even if its fud, its possible. the 940 already has max 125 watt now on crap cooling on 3500mhz.

[T_Flight]

OK please stop it right there.

There is absolutely no reason to bring religion into this. It is totally IRRELEVANT and AGAINST THE RULES.
Goes for both of you.

Seriously! I've been just sitting back watching this in disbelief up to that point but that was WAY outta control. Just for the record I am neither one of those religions, but I wouldn't go atatcking them. I'm no saint either, but that was way outta control.

[informal]

OK please stop it right there.

There is absolutely no reason to bring religion into this. It is totally IRRELEVANT and AGAINST THE RULES.
Goes for both of you.

I think you are wasting your time with Zucker.The dude can't miss a chance in AMD thread to troll. It's like a safe bet with him.

As for the cooling needed for the "hypothetical" 3.5Ghz Phenom II,it should be something better than the current ones bundled with BE.But we must not forget AMD's CTI program and constant process node improvements.So by the time second half of 2009 arrives,AMD could probably easily milk another 13% clock over the forthcoming 3.1Ghz 950 model and get to 3.5Ghz ,while staying withing the rated 125W.If need be,they can even rate that chip as 140W and we know from the case of 9950BE 140W model that even if rated at 140W the chip never draw anywhere near that(Was closer to ~100W under full load using 4x stress prime).

[STaRGaZeR]

OK please stop it right there.

There is absolutely no reason to bring religion into this. It is totally IRRELEVANT and AGAINST THE RULES.
Goes for both of you.

Yes, my general!

Last time I say it: OCCT or Prime95 mean NOTHING for AMD/Intel.

occt says 3500mhz 1.35 volt is stable after 1 hour testing.
cpu reached 58 degree which would be below 50 degree if i used blowers on full force.

they only need a small improvement but then we would have no oc headroom.
even if its fud, its possible. the 940 already has max 125 watt now on crap cooling on 3500mhz.

Try it in Vista64, just for the lulz.

[BertM]

Try it in Vista64, just for the lulz.

i dont have 64bit windows installed, somebody else can try that

occt benching now with 3 stronger blowers at 3500mhz 1.35volt results in 45 degree cpu temp. (simular to very good true setup)

[STaRGaZeR]

i dont have 64bit windows installed, somebody else can try that

Please do, AMD chips are famous for clocking much higher in 32-bit systems.

[G0ldBr1ck]

Please do, AMD chips are famous for clocking much higher in 32-bit systems.

to be fair, PhII has not been exhibiting this behavior.

[fiveprime]

I find, in general most chips clock better under 32bit settings.

[Frontl1ne]

I thought the current Phenom II's were using the same hsf as the old Phenom 9950? I heard they would be developing a new hsf for later revisions

[Sly Fox]

Whether or not you believe that AMD can achieve 3.5 doesn't matter. The point is that to drone on and on is pointless. There are solutions that have been brought up. It just gets old never being able to have a decent AMD topic.

I meant no offense with the catholic comment and I would call it a joke in admittadly bad taste. So let's bury the hatchet on the issue and move on.

On this note of moving on, I'll give it a rest as well.

[Rammsteiner]

Actually you're right; I'm Catholic (at least I consider myself one since I haven't been to church in years). So let's see, you post to affirm what I've already said and proceed to attack me at the same time; hmm, what does that make you? Let me take a wild guess: a protestant?

Erm... right I tried to get this logic to be working but somehow I cant

Yes, my general!

Last time I say it: OCCT or Prime95 mean NOTHING for AMD/Intel.

Yes, we know by now. But since we still dont know what stability really means for AMD/Intel you cant just say it's useless either Just use the right version, settings and amount of time.

Try it in Vista64, just for the lulz.

Well, could you please tell me the difference cause I couldnt

[Richard Dower]

Is AMD a good chip to own anymore?

[Sparky]

Is AMD a good chip to own anymore?

In short, yes.

[Zucker2k]

Erm... right I tried to get this logic to be working but somehow I cant

Sorry if you don't get my sarcasm, it's actually not difficult to grasp for any normal thinking person. And please stop abusing the rolleyes smilie, it gets tiring; if only you used it when it actually counts. You make no sense with your posts and you're always adding attitude to match.

[mcbalaban]

The news in th OP was proven to be fake somewhere on page 3.... ...Why is this thread still going?

Is there like a Mod-holiday on the internet or something?

[Sparky]

Sorry if you don't get my sarcasm, it's actually not difficult to grasp for any normal thinking person. And please stop abusing the rolleyes smilie, it gets tiring; if only you used it when it actually counts. You make no sense with your posts and you're always adding attitude to match.

Speaking of adding attitude...

[G0ldBr1ck]

Sorry if you don't get my sarcasm, it's actually not difficult to grasp for any normal thinking person. And please stop abusing the rolleyes smilie, it gets tiring; if only you used it when it actually counts. You make no sense with your posts and you're always adding attitude to match.

Zucker, what do you ever add to these threads? seriusly all I ever see in these is a few people talking about hardware and then youl basicly post.........no its not, or no it cant, or FUD!!, or It can never happen..........then a few more on topic posts and then you again with the........no it cant, Intel's better, bla bla bla. Its a cycle that hapens in every News thread and you never bring anything to the topic. Why do you do this? I realy dont understand. Dont you relize that you make these threads unpleasent for those who realy do want to discuss the topic.

It would be greatly appreciated if you would just let people discuss the topics they want to. Even if you dont agree and think they are out of touch with reality because they dont share your personal views.

And yes, I know there are others that do the same the other direction but its 90% of the time only after you provoke them.

Thanks

[Zucker2k]

Zucker, what do you ever add to these threads? seriusly all I ever see in these is a few people talking about hardware and then youl basicly post.........no its not, or no it cant, or FUD!!, or It can never happen..........then a few more on topic posts and then you again with the........no it cant, Intel's better, bla bla bla. Its a cycle that hapens in every News thread and you never bring anything to the topic. Why do you do this? I realy dont understand. Dont you relize that you make these threads unpleasent for those who realy do want to discuss the topic.

It would be greatly appreciated if you would just let people discuss the topics they want to. Even if you dont agree and think they are out of touch with reality because they dont share your personal views.

And yes, I know there are others that do the same the other direction but its 90% of the time only after you provoke them.

Thanks

How did I provoke anybody when the news for the original post was already said to be fake? Once again, those of us who expressed skepticism at the news have been proven right..... well until AMD actually releases that product. Don't you think it's a little bit of frustration on the part of those who are basically defending a hoax? I mean how pathetic can it get? I never said Intel could do it; and I highly doubt AMD could and since the news turned out to be fake, wtf is with the hostility? It's clear some are pissed because of this, but please pick on someone else. Go to my first post and see what I typed before I had to defend my very pure and untainted record for recognizing PHII and calling it for what it is? And this from someone who nearly picked one up at the Microcenter the other day, but had to refrain from it since the Q9650 proved too irrestible.

[mAJORD]

I thought the current Phenom II's were using the same hsf as the old Phenom 9950? I heard they would be developing a new hsf for later revisions

nope, the 9950 is a 140w TDP hsf.. quite a bit taller.

940 HS is the same as 125w 9750-9850s and 6400BE's

[gallag]

Why are people saying that all ph2 can hit 3.5-3.6ghz at stock voltage? Looking at the phenom2 list of overclocks in the AMD section it would seem that they do not on average? Am I missing something?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=213248

To be on this list only 2 hours of prime is needed to be considered stable

I will word it this way so as not to upset the AMD emokids.

Intel can not launch a 3.5-4.0ghz quad anytime soon, I know that people can overclock them to this level quite easily but due to allowing for the worst case seniero with thermals i.e hot climates, 5 years worth of dust build up, bad case cooling etc. it is not as easy on a commercial scale.

Then there is the whole stability problem, They can not be on the edge so will have to provide enough v core to make sure that all cpus are stable, They will not be setting up each system individually so will need the vcore higher that what the avg needs to cover the worst.

Always the same thing, AMD say they will launch a 3.1ghz cpu, Fanboys say AMD will launch a 3.5ghz cpu, People interject logic but get labelled fanboys and some people reading start to believe fanboys, AMD launch a 3.1ghz cpu as promised but due to hype some are disappointed. See the pattern

[Rammsteiner]

Sorry if you don't get my sarcasm, it's actually not difficult to grasp for any normal thinking person. And please stop abusing the rolleyes smilie, it gets tiring; if only you used it when it actually counts. You make no sense with your posts and you're always adding attitude to match.

I dont know what your problem is, whether it's sarcasm, a joke or epic phailure, it was a useless post.

And if you try to tell me Im not a normal thinking person, go ahead, but you already told your self you ain't one, so why would I take you serious at all.

Damn, that was pretty much an open door

PS:

Why are people saying that all ph2 can hit 3.5-3.6ghz at stock voltage? Looking at the phenom2 list of overclocks in the AMD section it would seem that they do not on average? Am I missing something?

Some PhII's can, at least I didnt say all can. However, it's called revisions which might make it very well possible. As said, whether they do it, I dont know. Im just saying it aint impossible at all since some intellectuals (lol) claimed AMD cant do that while some of those have been contributing that C2D/Q could be 4Ghz easy. And yes, that's very unlikely and I dont believe that right away, C2D/Q @ 3.5Ghz, why not?

To be on this list only 2 hours of prime is needed to be considered stable

So? Anyone OC'ing knows 24/7 usage wouldnt ever only run for 2hours. In the end 2hours is just as useless as 8hours anyway. It's more to prevent suicide shots.

I will word it this way so as not to upset the AMD emokids.

Go go trollgadget

Intel can not launch a 3.5-4.0ghz quad anytime soon, I know that people can overclock them to this level quite easily but due to allowing for the worst case seniero with thermals i.e hot climates, 5 years worth of dust build up, bad case cooling etc. it is not as easy on a commercial scale.

I dont know, think it's slightly different since launching an higher clocked one wouldnt mess up with the entire C2D/Q line, what would the 9650 become worth? Meaning things have to drop slightly which will be felt mainly in the value section. I guess it's more a strategic problem than a physical problem.

AMD is basing from 3Ghz, meaning they can go higher and they can go lower to fill a lot of market spots. Im curious what C3 will bring since that already has slightly improved TDP over C2.

Then there is the whole stability problem, They can not be on the edge so will have to provide enough v core to make sure that all cpus are stable, They will not be setting up each system individually so will need the vcore higher that what the avg needs to cover the worst.

Of course, being on the edge is dangerous. With certain improvements however this edge can be moved higher.

Always the same thing, AMD say they will launch a 3.1ghz cpu, Fanboys say AMD will launch a 3.5ghz cpu, People interject logic but get labelled fanboys and some people reading start to believe fanboys, AMD launch a 3.1ghz cpu as promised but due to hype some are disappointed. See the pattern

No, I only see certain people indoctrinating that AMD users are dissapointed. Where the that's coming from, Ive no idea. We were talking about the possibility that AMD would release a 3.5Ghz CPU after some table showed up with all eventual future names and clocks. Whether that table is any reliable, I doubt it. But from there the discussion more or less came up about 3.5Ghz CPU's. Even if we had to wait for C4, I think it's very well possible. Unless they can get a decent IPC boost in C4 which makes the run for 3.5Ghz less, but yeah, no one knows.

[Zucker2k]

Snip; bla, bla, bla

More and nothing of substance; your argument about why Intel won't release a 3.5GHz quad is laughable.

At LOE: You may not be seeing any differences because you may have fine-tuned your system in the 64bit OS, or you're running at stock? You'll definitely hit the limit faster in 64bit than 32bit. Some members have reported up to 200-300 mhz loss going from 32bit to 64bit in the thread gallag posted above.