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Meh... Well, ain't HT getting a bit old now though?

I can imagine why it'sn on i7, it's designed for a whole other purpose then most of us use it now. But i5 is for desktop, HT barely does a significant thing, at least for gaming. Having a 4Ghz i7 or Deneb for gaming... Now dont tell me this difference is so significant you'd get an i7 over Deneb

I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but just because a few games don't benefit from HT doesn't make the technology "a bit old;" especially because the overall benefit, when enabled outweighs the cons in a few games As for gaming, no game ever utilizes a cpu at 100%, so games are not necessarily going to give you a true reflection of the raw processing power of any cpu. If one were building a gaming pc on a budget, then Deneb becomes a true competitor; but even there, C2Q offers a faster and more power efficient and stable platform.

Yes, a relative cheap CPU. Then it needs special DDR3, new board which is only the price of the best boards from previous generation. Yeah, awesome

Well, you make me wonder if AM3 is an upgrade path for current AM2/+ users or not? See? DDR3 is the future, and as usual more expensive than older tech. As for the cost of boards, all you need to do is go to AMD section, where a lot of members are complaining about the finicky boards/components. Sorry about your board and blown mosfets Ramm, but cheaper components always sell cheap. You and a few others have debated the quality of AMD boards enough to make this point moot.

I dont know what numbers you read but from my understanding all CPU's are pretty close at an average resolution of 1680x1050, Nehalem sometimes even being beaten by Kentsfield.

If those are the numbers you choose to concentrate on, then I have news for you - it's called gpu-bound, or gpu-limited. Throw in a second gpu and you'll see that seemingly close numbers disappear fast.

Also Nehalem doesnt out clock Deneb thus far, [sarcasm]unless I missed the handpicked super Nehalem from DrWho[/sarcasm]

Which did 5Ghz on air No, that's the one thing Deneb has proven to be better at than Agena.

Only reason why AMD would need HT is servers, nothing else. Only thing that's slightly disappointing is its power consumption. However, I dont care about that stuff, if I'd care I shouldnt have a PC in the first place.

Should I quote you on that?

Ehm, no. What they need is a more efficient architecture. HT was usefull on dual cores, not on quad cores used in desktops for average usage.

I really don't understand your point; if you don't like HT, disable it. It doesn't impact performance if you do, and you still get all your 4 cores to play with. You're making no sense at all, because nehalem without HT is still unbeatable; unless you want to argue the opposite, in which case you'd be contradicting yourself. Please take those green shades off.