ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

[seban]

Hey guys

I flashed again to 1802 just to try some things...

I achieved this, just stable for SPI 1M have to tweak mems and some others it was on my 5th attempt and on GTLS -10/-50/-10/-50

!! - CUT by cenzor - !!

Hey m8,

Just in case those volts are supposed to be your 24/7.

Recently guys from Anandtech killed their 45nm quad with Vtt >= 1.4v, and they did it very fast.

[powellandy]

then go to large FFT's, depending on what test fails you can find out what voltage to raise

1024 - increase VTT or vNB
896 or 448 - vNB
768, 512, 332 - VTT

Out of interest - How are these derived. Is it personal experience or is there a scientific reason 448 and 896 are good for vNB and 332,512 and 768 are good for vTT?

Cheers,
Andy

[andressergio]

Hey m8,

Just in case those volts are supposed to be your 24/7.

Recently guys from Anandtech killed their 45nm quad with Vtt >= 1.4v, and they did it very fast.

No it was just a try i'm on 4005 on 1,28 vcore and vtt 1,25 for 24/7

Cheers
Sergio

[64dragon]

Out of interest - How are these derived. Is it personal experience or is there a scientific reason 448 and 896 are good for vNB and 332,512 and 768 are good for vTT?

Cheers,
Andy

another member here (jcool) posted that info and more here on XS and it worked perfectly for me.

[N3it1]

Thanks Cryptik,it posted nicely to desktop with your settings and now im running quadprime to check whats up.
Ill post my progress here later,so far so good!*knocks the wood*Again, big thanks to you Cryptik!

[xzulu]

Q9650 500x8 bios 1802

Nice andressergio!

[JoeBar]

this is quoted from Asus forums

Here's the actual changelog

Maximus II Formula 1802 Bios

-Fixed use 2 pieces of ATI4870X2 VGA Card can't display from Primary slot display monitor

[CryptiK]

Just a quick 32M run with my P5Q-Deluxe. Sadly, the deluxe seems to clock FSB & ram better than the M2F. I could not get these settings to pass 32M on the M2F no matter what I did, didnt even have to tweak the ram skews on the deluxe. The NB temp topped out at 47*C too, from my testing the deluxe cooling is better than the M2F too.

**EDIT - the M2F is better than the deluxe at PL8, it can do 534 FSB, 640 MHz PL8 32M stable and the deluxe cannot, but the deluxe can do 541 FSB, 650 MHz PL10 32M stable, which the M2F cannot. Quite strange behaviour. I also found the deluxe does not need any ram channel delay to run my GKX sticks over 2.2v whereas I need 150ps delay on the M2F or it will lock up if 2.2v+ is used.

541 FSB, 650 MHz, PL 10, 1.44 vNB, 2.24 vDimm

[carepolice]

Just a quick 32M run with my P5Q-Deluxe. Sadly, the deluxe seems to clock FSB & ram better than the M2F. I could not get these settings to pass 32M on the M2F no matter what I did, didnt even have to tweak the ram skews on the deluxe. The NB temp topped out at 47*C too, from my testing the deluxe cooling is better than the M2F too.

541 FSB, 650 MHz, PL 10, 1.44 vNB, 2.24 vDimm

How do you know exactly that NB topped 47*C ?

Did you use Thermometer or what ?

[CryptiK]

Yeah I borrowed my mates IR thermometer and aimed it at the base of the NB heatsink during the bench.

[andressergio]

Just a quick 32M run with my P5Q-Deluxe. Sadly, the deluxe seems to clock FSB & ram better than the M2F. I could not get these settings to pass 32M on the M2F no matter what I did, didnt even have to tweak the ram skews on the deluxe. The NB temp topped out at 47*C too, from my testing the deluxe cooling is better than the M2F too.

541 FSB, 650 MHz, PL 10, 1.44 vNB, 2.24 vDimm

Oh man that's great !!

Muy bien hecho mi amigo escondido

[andressergio]

Nice andressergio!

Thanxs xzuku, it's not stable at that settings just a quick run

Did you try what i sent you ?

Cheers mate

[Nunzi]

Does enyone now what my CPU GTL ref's would be cpu 1.3875 vtt 1.351 NB 1.351

THANKS

[CryptiK]

Depends what your cpu needs.

You could try anything from
GTL Ref 0 -10
GTL Ref 1 -50
GTL Ref 2 -10
GTL Ref 3 -50

to

GTL Ref 0 +70
GTL Ref 1 +30
GTL Ref 2 +70
GTL Ref 3 +30

[Grnfinger]

Here's the actual changelog

Maximus II Formula 1802 Bios

-Fixed use 2 pieces of ATI4870X2 VGA Card can't display from Primary slot display monitor

From Asus Forums

http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?...Language=en-us

[GeorgeVasil]

So i tried tha new BIOS..

The good ones..

1)PCIE Set to 105 / FSB=500 = Boots OK
2)Raid Works Fine /No HDD hungs
3)Improved L2 Copy & Latency (Before=33766 MB/s & 4.5ns - After=~34334 MB/s & 3.6-3.9ns)
4)Stable With my previous settings

The bad news..

1)VTT-vNB bug is still here..
2)Hungs on some Restarts and the LCD poster reports to me ''DET RAM''
3)Pull-ins Not Working..
4)Speed Step & C-state Options Disappear when applying O/C.

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We sould Write a letter to Sanda...all of us.

Dear Santa,

We want a new NO BUGGY BIOS for our M2F.

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[andressergio]

So i tried tha new BIOS..

The good ones..

1)PCIE Set to 105 / FSB=500 = Boots OK
2)Raid Works Fine /No HDD hungs
3)Improved L2 Copy & Latency (Before=33766 MB/s & 4.5ns - After=~34334 MB/s & 3.6-3.9ns)
4)Stable With my previous settings

The bad news..

1)VTT-vNB bug is still here..
2)Hungs on some Restarts and the LCD poster reports to me ''DET RAM''
3)Pull-ins Not Working..
4)Speed Step & C-state Options Disappear when applying O/C.

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We sould Write a letter to Sanda...all of us.

Dear Santa,

We want a new NO BUGGY BIOS for our M2F.

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I'm testing it i will post my results soon

What settings George to boot on 500FSB, stable ? i posted mine not stable just SPI 1M, way too much VTT will try to tweak things and get it at least 32M SPI stable

Cheers
Sergio

[andressergio]

Well guys

Today I started testing with this method:

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=476249

In the part "Here is a method any one can do...."

Tough is not for this mobo GTLS are so close so i decided to give a shot...

I started on smallFFT's MEMS at 1:1 2x2GB PL10


CPU Speed VcoreSet PLL VTT NB CPU GTLS

4050 (450x9) 1,30600 1,50000 1,20600 1,25600 -5/-35/-5/-35 bsod after test 2
4050 (450x9) 1,31250 1,50000 1,20600 1,25600 -5/-35/-5/-35 core 4 fails after test 2
4050 (450x9) 1,31250 1,50000 1,20600 1,25600 -5/-30/-5/-30 +5mv increment on lanes 1 and 3 passed an hour...

[Codeman05]

Guys, need some help with an e8400 (my e8500 killed itself this weekend).
I can't even get this guy stable at 4.0GHz, and I'm pretty sure its not the CPU as I could get 3.8GHz w/ 1.325 volts and I also had hell getting this board over 450 with the e8500.

Prime Blend fails in less than 15 mins...or the O/S freezes up.
Temps as follows: Cpu= 56/57 | Power=41 | NB=46 | SB=42 | MB=37

Any suggestions?

BIOS 1307

Ai Overclock Tuner: Manual
OC From CPU Level Up: Auto
Ratio CMOS Setting: 9.0
FSB Frequency: 444
CPU Clock Skew: Normal
NB Clock Skew: Normal
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 400
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-888Mhz
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: Auto (tried adv. 250 & 300)
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: Auto (tried adv. 250 & 300)
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: Auto (tried adv. 250 & 300)
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: Auto (tried adv. 250 & 300)
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information:

CAS# Latency: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 DRAM Clocks
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 18 DRAM Clocks
RAS# to RAS# Delay: 5
Row Refresh Recycle Time: 60
Write Recovery Time: 6
Read to Precharge Time: 5

2nd Information:

Read to Write Delay (S/D): 10
Write to Read Delay (S): 4
Write to Read Delay (D): 5
Read to Read Delay (S): 6
Read to Read Delay (D): 6
Write to Write Delay (S): 5
Write to Write Delay (D): 6

3rd Information:

Write to PRE Delay: 16
Read to PRE Delay: 6
PRE to PRE Delay: 1
All PRE to ACT Delay: 6
All PRE to REF Delay: 6
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
Ai Clock Twister: Moderate
Ai Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 12 (tried 10 as well)
Pull-in of CHA PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHA PH3: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH1: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH2: Disabled
Pull-in of CHB PH3: Disabled

PCIE Frequency: 100

CPU Voltage: 1.35 (tired up to 1.45v)
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.50 (tried up to 1.6v)
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.325
DRAM Voltage: 2.1
North Bridge Voltage: 1.35
South Bridge 1.5 Voltage: 1.50
South Bridge 1.1 Voltage: 1.10

CPU GTL Reference (0): auto
CPU GTL Reference (1): -40
CPU GTL Reference (2): auto
CPU GTL Reference (3): -40
NB GTL Reference: Auto
DDR2 ChA Reference Voltage: Auto
DDR2 ChB Reference Voltage: Auto
North Bridge DDR Reference: Auto

CPU Configuration:

Ratio CMOS Setting: 9.0
C1E Support: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

Load-Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled

[seban]

Quick question guys about CPU PLL.

When and how to adjust it? What are the indications of too low or too high CPU PLL? What is it exactly for? (well i read technical docs about Intel core 2 family and I know what is it for but how does this voltage influence CPU and rest of the system in real life?)

Any tips are more then welcome

Guys, need some help with an e8400 (my e8500 killed itself this weekend).
I can't even get this guy stable at 4.0GHz, and I'm pretty sure its not the CPU as I could get 3.8GHz w/ 1.325 volts and I also had hell getting this board over 450 with the e8500.

Prime Blend fails in less than 15 mins...or the O/S freezes up.
Temps as follows: Cpu= 56/57 | Power=41 | NB=46 | SB=42 | MB=37

Any suggestions?

Well I am not an expert but my CPU and MB likes much higher GTLrefs than you have set.

You could try GTL ref

60
20
60
20

Which gives around 0.9v GTLref at yours vTT (also in my case keeping vTT little more higher than vCPU helped me a lot - but keep in mind that you should not go higher or even equal 1.4v on vTT to be on safe side with your CPU).

Your Vcore does not look to healthy for 45nm. To find you lowest vcore you can use smallFTP in P95.

Some posts ago there was info about what errors in P95 indicates what voltages should be adjusted - so far the schema work for me prety well.

Hope it helps.

BTW if it fails bland still on 1024 it is either vNB or vTT which need to be adjusted (thanks for info Dragon!) - that is ofcourse if your vcore is ok and mems are stable in the first place.

[Codeman05]

thanks, ill try more gtl tonight. the vcore may be a tad high, but if this chip lasts 3 months im happy ill back it down i just wanted to take Vcore out of the equation.

[xzulu]

Well, back to playing around with my Q9650. Been busy with work and gaming. LOL!

450x9....this was done about a month or 2 months ago....Just wanted to see it run stable at 450x9


Just today, did some testing for my new 24/7 settings. 425x9....GTL Ref all Auto


Rock stable. Played Farcry for more than 2 hours, no hangs at all...

Thanks to CryptiK and andressergio

Im testing it now @ 425x9 but with lower vcore and vNB voltages....

[Codeman05]

thanks, ill try more gtl tonight. the vcore may be a tad high, but if this chip lasts 3 months im happy ill back it down i just wanted to take Vcore out of the equation.

No go on the -60 GTLs
Max I can get is 433FSB for 3.9GHz. Anything else freezes the O/S after ~10 mins of P95 Blend. Dropping the multi, still top out at 433

[seban]

Three questions:

1. Does any body know of negative impact/consequences of running high vTT in compare to vCPU. I am currently at 1.30 vCPU in compare to 1.365 vTT and I wonder if this is safe 24/7? Please let me know as I do not know if proceed with extensive testing

2. I had stability issues running 1:1 mem on 460 and when switched on same settings to 4:5 all problems seems to be gone. Was not 1:1 supposed to be more stable/less problematic?

3. I got this problem which no body seems to have. It is random. I have some settings in BIOS I boot to windows and when I grab any window and I move it around it is choppy - in very distinct way. So kind of fast choppiness.

Then I do restart boot again to Vista and it is smooth as silk when moving windows around. Another boot or two and again same thing... it is driving me nuts.

Anybody?

Cheers

No go on the -60 GTLs
Max I can get is 433FSB for 3.9GHz. Anything else freezes the O/S after ~10 mins of P95 Blend. Dropping the multi, still top out at 433

There should be +60/+20/+60/+20 not "-".

[Nunzi]

Depends what your cpu needs.

You could try anything from
GTL Ref 0 -10
GTL Ref 1 -50
GTL Ref 2 -10
GTL Ref 3 -50

to

GTL Ref 0 +70
GTL Ref 1 +30
GTL Ref 2 +70
GTL Ref 3 +30

Thanks for the info played around with vtt & gtl's got my vtt down from 1.351 to 1.3 volts +30 +10 +30 + 10 9 hours prime small ftt occt blend