gabe is not saying other vendor's stuff is shiat . . .heck his posting here will probably help to get everyone on the same page (granted they probably planned to do so anyways or at least one would think so) . . .as long as we do not have one vendor talking crap about other vendors (specifying them by name) then it is all good. Gabe surely has more class than that . . .it is great to have professionals (Petra is another example) who come here and help educate us.