Phenom II 6 GHz+ OVERCLOCK

[Kayin]

Boards were a K9A2 Platinum (cold boot issue), K9ND-Speedster WA6 (missing mem controller heatsink), P7N-SLi Platinum (ran at 90c, I did mess up the NF200 but it was a waste of a chip anyway) and EP45-UD3P (booted twice, after waiting 10 minutes, and never again). I admit the NF750 was my fault. Please, tell me why the others refuse to work? I have boards that I have literally tossed in a box, dug out and they functioned fine. These I purchase, baby to the motherboard tray, install all my screws, use proper TIM and mounting techniques, and they fail immediately. There are quite a few people saying the same about some of the boards.

As for the ASUS boards, I have an A8N-SLi Premium and an A8N32-SLi Premium that never clocked known good chips worth a damn. I had an A8N-SLi before that, it ran good but it blew a PCI-E slot off the board and took my 6600GT with it. Before that, I tried the MSI SLi board, no boot. Before that, I was with Chaintech a good while, was always pleased. Before that, DFI LP and Infinity NFIIs, and before that Shuttle and MSI.

I've used a fair few boards, put together a bunch of systems, and I'm seeing a trend of the new stuff does not work all the time. It's driving me nuts.

[chew*]

IIRC I had a gigabyte that was a real solid performer, can't remember model, was a 939 variant. Only gripe i had was it was not a good clocker, The AN8 boards and i had all of them, were all finicky, The DFI i had was DOA, I tried the asus also, wasn't impressed after using a grouper. Only reason I stopped using the manta was because ATI sort of left me hanging with masterless crossfire and games had to be toned down with my single card.......wasn't my contacts fault though he is part of the chipset division. Graphics division decided not to release masterless crossfire via drivers ( although they had a working version ) for whatever reason......At first I upgraded to M3A32-MVP Deluxe and Phenom BE, dissapointed I sold it to my friend.............

Be nice if they can put out a board like the M3A32-MVP Deluxe that works really really well as that is probably the most feature rich board I've seen recently. I'd really like to see that device that asus made for an intel board brought over to one of they're amd lineups......Forget what it was called but it allows you to change all options in bios on the fly without a Program running on your OS.

[Titan7171]

IIRC I had a gigabyte that was a real solid performer, can't remember model, was a 939 variant. Only gripe i had was it was not a good clocker, The AN8 boards and i had all of them, were all finicky, The DFI i had was DOA, I tried the asus also, wasn't impressed after using a grouper. Only reason I stopped using the manta was because ATI sort of left me hanging with masterless crossfire and games had to be toned down with my single card.......wasn't my contacts fault though he is part of the chipset division. Graphics division decided not to release masterless crossfire via drivers ( although they had a working version ) for whatever reason......At first I upgraded to M3A32-MVP Deluxe and Phenom BE, dissapointed I sold it to my friend.............

Be nice if they can put out a board like the M3A32-MVP Deluxe that works really really well as that is probably the most feature rich board I've seen recently. I'd really like to see that device that asus made for an intel board brought over to one of they're amd lineups......Forget what it was called but it allows you to change all options in bios on the fly without a Program running on your OS.

was that the Gigabyte K8ns-Ultra??

[chew*]

That I think was the model # of it. I even used a ddr booster on it worked great, not so great on fatality an8, it had a fatality.

[Throwed]

Boards were a K9A2 Platinum (cold boot issue), K9ND-Speedster WA6 (missing mem controller heatsink), P7N-SLi Platinum (ran at 90c, I did mess up the NF200 but it was a waste of a chip anyway) and EP45-UD3P (booted twice, after waiting 10 minutes, and never again). I admit the NF750 was my fault. Please, tell me why the others refuse to work? I have boards that I have literally tossed in a box, dug out and they functioned fine. These I purchase, baby to the motherboard tray, install all my screws, use proper TIM and mounting techniques, and they fail immediately. There are quite a few people saying the same about some of the boards.

As for the ASUS boards, I have an A8N-SLi Premium and an A8N32-SLi Premium that never clocked known good chips worth a damn. I had an A8N-SLi before that, it ran good but it blew a PCI-E slot off the board and took my 6600GT with it. Before that, I tried the MSI SLi board, no boot. Before that, I was with Chaintech a good while, was always pleased. Before that, DFI LP and Infinity NFIIs, and before that Shuttle and MSI.

I've used a fair few boards, put together a bunch of systems, and I'm seeing a trend of the new stuff does not work all the time. It's driving me nuts.

Not sure what the problem is....Maybe you are a static magnet. I have noticed one thing about you though......You seem to buy SLI boards regularly. I suggest buying a single slot PCI E board. The least amount of BS on a board....the better. If SLI/Crossfire is your thing then go with a GX2(Nvidia) or X2(ATI). Most of the people I know that have problems with mobos are people that have ones with onboard video or dual 16X PCI E slots. I bet before all the SLI/Crossfire mess you rarely had problems.

BTW, I was a Chaintech freak back in the days. In fact I just sold a old Chaintech SK8T800 I had in my spare parts bin. It's a shame they are not making mobos anymore.

As for me, I NEVER buy SLI/Crossfire boards....nor boards with on board video. I bet if you did the same you would not have as many problems. Let your next mobo purchase follow this rule and I doubt you will have problems.

My Biostar TA770 with 45w 4050e Dual Core AMD has no issues.
My ASUS M3A78 with 5000+ Black Edition has no issues.
My Biostar T-Power-43 with Q6600 has zero issues.
My ASUS A8N5X with 3800+ X2 has/had zero issues.

...all of these have 1 PCI E slot and no onboard video.

[chew*]

Throwed I thought like that to, and mind you this was the past, I haven't made a comparison since but the fatality an8 versus the an8 versus the SLI variant were all buggy. Only way I will buy a board now is if its got an amd chipset. As far as dual slots I need them, soundcard......

[Throwed]

Throwed I thought like that to, and mind you this was the past, I haven't made a comparison since but the fatality an8 versus the an8 versus the SLI variant were all buggy. Only way I will buy a board now is if its got an amd chipset. As far as dual slots I need them, soundcard......

I am the same way now. I use to be PRO Nvidia for AMD CPU's, but after NF4.....I haven't used Nvidia chipsets. As for sound card....Why not just use the 1X PCI E slot?

you don't need a SLI/Crossfire mobo for these....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...PCI%20E%20X-Fi

My X-Fi fits right below my 4850 with ease and I have a GFX Chilla on my 4850. I also have an Ageia Physx card in my bottom PCI slot.

[chew*]

I am the same way now. I use to be PRO Nvidia for AMD CPU's, but after NF4.....I haven't used Nvidia chipsets. As for sound card....Why not just use the 1X PCI E slot?

you don't need a SLI/Crossfire mobo for these....
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...PCI%20E%20X-Fi

My X-Fi fits right below my 4850 with ease and I have a GFX Chilla on my 4850. I also have an Ageia Physx card in my bottom PCI slot.

Hmm was always under the impression that they needed to be in a PCI X slot to perform best....I will give it a shot.

Curiosity, does the ageia give you a performance boost and if so over a wide or narrow range of titles?

[Throwed]

Curiosity, does the ageia give you a performance boost and if so over a wide or narrow range of titles?

The best way to put it is ......."It a Novelty".......The only good game that I have that support it is UT3.....and it's not that great. Don't waste your money. I got mine for free via trading. If you are looking to buy one....DON'T! Well, atleast not now. Maybe more devs will begin to use it in it's full potential later, but it's not a "must have" now.

[demonkevy666]

The best way to put it is ......."It a Novelty".......The only good game that I have that support it is UT3.....and it's not that great. Don't waste your money. I got mine for free via trading. If you are looking to buy one....DON'T! Well, atleast not now. Maybe more devs will begin to use it in it's full potential later, but it's not a "must have" now.

boost in future mark's vantage too.

[chew*]

thx for the heads up, I almost bought one when Comp Usa closed its doors, My buddy ended up being short on a HP HTPC system that he was getting a killer deal so I lent him the money instead.

[charged3800z24]

Mirror's Edge will use it as well...The video looked pretty good using nVidia's Physics option..

[Titan7171]

That I think was the model # of it. I even used a ddr booster on it worked great, not so great on fatality an8, it had a fatality.

yup K8NS Ultra was excellent and I also still have the ddr booster, was it corsair that made it??.....I had it paired up with 2x512mb bh-5

[chew*]

yup K8NS Ultra was excellent and I also still have the ddr booster, was it corsair that made it??.....I had it paired up with 2x512mb bh-5

OCZ made it.

Anyone seen this yet?

Its a comparison of the spider platform versus dragon but......I find it somewhat useless unless they used a cpu clocked at identical speeds. The vid card results are moot 3xxx versus 4xxx but maybe we could calculate the difference in performance clock for clock with the other results.
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-11-18/40a.jpg

[charged3800z24]

OCZ made it.

Anyone seen this yet?

Its a comparison of the spider platform versus dragon but......I find it somewhat useless unless they used a cpu clocked at identical speeds. The vid card results are moot 3xxx versus 4xxx but maybe we could calculate the difference in performance clock for clock with the other results.
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-11-18/40a.jpg

Ya, I saw that a couple days ago. look nice, I no longer have my 3870...I'd try to do a comparison..be nice to see...

[Titan7171]

OCZ made it.

Anyone seen this yet?

Its a comparison of the spider platform versus dragon but......I find it somewhat useless unless they used a cpu clocked at identical speeds. The vid card results are moot 3xxx versus 4xxx but maybe we could calculate the difference in performance clock for clock with the other results.
http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-11-18/40a.jpg

Yea I also seen that a few days ago.......The thing is tryng to determine what graphics card they used? did they use 3870 for spider or 3870x2......then for dragon they would have used either or!

also is the 3dm06 score just a cpu result or total system score? oyu figure its a 45% increase so if you get 13,000 with Spider would you expect to get 19,000-20,000 with Dragon?

Well what if you were already getting 17,000 in 3dm06......you wouldnt get 25,000 with Dragon

take into account its all stock also,that its a 9950@2.6ghz compared to P2 940@3ghz

someone else throw in something there

[Kayin]

Just a final comment and I'm done on the boards, but I normally do run multicard setups. I don't say, "well, I'll get one later"-I order it all at once. So normally it's a necessity. Have both SLi and Crossfire in the house ATM, in fact.

Really interested in seeing someone turn out something like the old Chaintech Zenith or Sapphire Grouper. Those were amazing boards, and nigh on unkillable. No processor is worth it without a stable platform to run on.

[Zucker2k]

Yea I also seen that a few days ago.......The thing is tryng to determine what graphics card they used? did they use 3870 for spider or 3870x2......then for dragon they would have used either or!

also is the 3dm06 score just a cpu result or total system score? oyu figure its a 45% increase so if you get 13,000 with Spider would you expect to get 19,000-20,000 with Dragon?

Well what if you were already getting 17,000 in 3dm06......you wouldnt get 25,000 with Dragon

take into account its all stock also,that its a 9950@2.6ghz compared to P2 940@3ghz

someone else throw in something there

It states clearly 3DMark '06 (CPU)

[merkk1]

Well I think that chart is full of Sh----it . I score 1800+ points with my spider rig now in 3Dmark-06 and my cpu is running at just 3.375 ghz when i did that .If the Dragon platfrom only has 2 PCIe on it for video cards (790gx) the only way a dragon can hang with a well set-up spider the guy has to run 2 4870x2 or a 4870x2 + 4870 . I myself don't like the x2 lay out . I think 4 single gpus running in the 4 slot layout works better but what the hell do i know i'am the guy scoring 1800 + point score with 3850 video cards well that my take on it .

P.S. when i up grade to the Phenom 2 940 cpu i be looking for 20000 + point score in 3dmark-06.

[Jazzman]

Well, we first saw comments by Dr. Who in XS news that this demo could occur. Apparently, Intel does take the results of the AMD demo to journalists seriously. The following was posted in TechpowerUp but also in a closed thread in the XS news section:

Intel to Retaliate to AMD Phenom II Overclocking Feat, Plans Demonstration at CES '09

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Intel plans its own public demonstration of the overclocking capabilities of the Core i7 processors. This, in response to rival AMD achieving an overclock of well beyond 5.00 GHz, and booting at speeds above 6.00 GHz. The engineers at Intel reportedly carried out a large-scale binning of Core i7 processors, to cherry-pick the best performing part. The scale of binning could well be best of 100,000 units.
A chief engineer at Intel, Francoise Piednoel expressed his reservations regarding the 6.00 GHz overclocking feat AMD carried out with its upcoming Phenom II X4 processor last week, saying that the overclocking capabilities of the Phenom II X4 demonstrated do not reflect those of release-grade products, and cannot be replicated in a real-world setting. AMD may have disabled several sensors on the cherry-picked chip used in its demonstration, which facilitated that overclock. In response to this, Intel would be disabling the same sensors, in its special demonstration chip. The demo could be held at CES 2009. The professional overclocker chosen to achieve this feat would be none other than FUGGER from XtremeSystems. FUGGER could be set the task of taking the most desirable, binned Core i7 965 Extreme Edition chip all the way up to a stellar 7.00 GHz, if all goes well.

[informal]

100 000 units???O M G!
Mother of all cherry picks in the history of IC chery picking!!!

[Extelleron]

100 000 units???O M G!
Mother of all cherry picks in the history of IC chery picking!!!

You really think the AMD 6Hz chip wasn't cherry picked to the extreme as well?

Personally I think this is all stupid, it's a silly pissing contest between Intel and AMD now as to which chips can reach the highest speeds in Windows under LN2.....

[chew*]

Personally I think this is all stupid, it's a silly pissing contest between Intel and AMD now as to which chips can reach the highest speeds in Windows under LN2.....

Hmm I find that quite funny because thats exactly what we do here at XS.

It's also exactly what i plan to do albeit I don't have acess to LN2 but I do have access to an unlimted supply of DI.

I've decided to either grab the gigabyte board macci used or the foxcon It will really depend on whats available at the computer show I will be at on the 6th.....I have everything else necessary for testing still save a DI tube which I will make. I also have 3 phase units for 24/7 use.

Maybe if I'm really lucky I can get some hands on with deneb on DI/phase before release. Time will tell.

[Jazzman]

What I find fascinating is that Mighty Intel feels threatened by piss-ant AMD. As many have observed here at XS, no cpu-z, wprime, etc. screenshots were permitted at the AMD demo. We only have word-of-mouth on PII 940 results. Yet, Intel feels threatened.

I think Intel feels there is a real chance of a repeat of the ATI/Nvidia debacle that occurred with the release of the 48xx line of video cards. No doubt in my mind that Intel is going to revise i7 pricing down in December to counter aggressive pricing by AMD. This is great news for all enthusiasts!

[demonkevy666]

Well I think that chart is full of Sh----it . I score 1800+ points with my spider rig now in 3Dmark-06 and my cpu is running at just 3.375 ghz when i did that .If the Dragon platfrom only has 2 PCIe on it for video cards (790gx) the only way a dragon can hang with a well set-up spider the guy has to run 2 4870x2 or a 4870x2 + 4870 . I myself don't like the x2 lay out . I think 4 single gpus running in the 4 slot layout works better but what the hell do i know i'am the guy scoring 1800 + point score with 3850 video cards well that my take on it .

P.S. when i up grade to the Phenom 2 940 cpu i be looking for 20000 + point score in 3dmark-06.

what cpu are you using ?

anyways having four card helps in the thermal environment area, but most cases only have 7 exposition slots so you would need a case with 8 slots or up to 10 and a board that fits 2 card slots. Which isn't many.

the x2 cards are really there to make things easier, even though they're longer. They only take up 4 slots instead of 8.

I too like 4 real cards over two 4870x2 but it's not going to fit in my case. Also I would have to have my side fan as exhaust instead of intake. Lasty putting 4 3870 single slots would just make my cpu heat warmer then usual.