PCPER.com: 5 GHZ+ Phenom II Overclock on Dry Ice, 6Ghz on LN2

[stangracin2]

Interesting, I look forward to seeing some head to head comparos between Deneb and Ci7; it'll be a shame if 4Ghz Deneb = 3.6Ghz Ci7. If so, AMD is will be 18 months late to the market, again.

it will prolly be like that because of the extra 4 threads on i7

[Calmatory]

it will prolly be like that because of the extra 4 threads on i7

...which do not usually help that much under heavy load. HT is not the main concern, IPC is.

[Drwho?]

I usually do not organize what I call "freak of nature" demo, what I mean by this is that I am always very careful to use statistically representative parts to avoid misleading anybody.

This time, I got a Saturday FedEx delivery ...



This is from my Buddies Milke M and Mike H (thanks for going the extra miles), this is a freak of statistic, this part is not in the middle distribution of the curve, it actually leak some serious current ... but it does OC, really, like hell.
6Ghz, i know i can do it already, let s see what is the next Digit , and to make sure everything is fair, I ll be joining a master of OC, he knows better than I do about LN2

I am just going to be doing the same as our green buddies, dissable the thermal control, and let s see

I ll drop the result here before thanks giving week end!

[T_Flight]

I usually do not organize what I call "freak of nature" demo, what I mean by this is that I am always very careful to use statistically representative parts to avoid misleading anybody.

This time, I got a Saturday FedEx delivery ...



This is from my Buddies Milke M and Mike H (thanks for going the extra miles), this is a freak of statistic, this part is not in the middle distribution of the curve, it actually leak some serious current ... but it does OC, really, like hell.
6Ghz, i know i can do it already, let s see what is the next Digit , and to make sure everything is fair, I ll be joining a master of OC, he knows better than I do about LN2

I am just going to be doing the same as our green buddies, dissable the thermal control, and let s see

I ll drop the result here before thanks giving week end!

Yum Yum! I need that and an LN2 Pot. Heck if the thing gets any higher than 6.5! LOL Heck 6 rocks. Go for 7GHz. If it passes 7, then the board will probably need to be submerged. LOL

[Marvin_The_Martian]

I usually do not organize what I call "freak of nature" demo, what I mean by this is that I am always very careful to use statistically representative parts to avoid misleading anybody.

This time, I got a Saturday FedEx delivery ...



This is from my Buddies Milke M and Mike H (thanks for going the extra miles), this is a freak of statistic, this part is not in the middle distribution of the curve, it actually leak some serious current ... but it does OC, really, like hell.
6Ghz, i know i can do it already, let s see what is the next Digit , and to make sure everything is fair, I ll be joining a master of OC, he knows better than I do about LN2

I am just going to be doing the same as our green buddies, dissable the thermal control, and let s see

I ll drop the result here before thanks giving week end!

Make sure the oc master is a member of this community or it won't do you much good

Why don't you fly to vegas and ask FUGGER himself to bench it with you on ln2. And make sure to videotape it

I want vid's or it didn't happen

[Drwho?]

Make sure the oc master is a member of this community or it won't do you much good

Why don't you fly to vegas and ask FUGGER himself to bench it with you on ln2. And make sure to videotape it

I want vid's or it didn't happen

I think you can read mind

[massman]

I ll drop the result here before thanks giving week end!

Good, I'll be one of the many waiting for your post. But, please make sure you and Charles are not the only ones to back you up when you claim 6Ghz or even 7GHz. Our green buddies showed off in front of a crowd of press, all being witness of the overclock. I reckon a cpu-z validation or quick benchmark (try breaking the 32M world record if you're there) should do just fine.

Oh, everyone knows that this example is insignificant untill other people hit the same frequency, even less than AMD's results. From the moment other sources can confirm they're able to hit 5, 5.5 or even 6GHz with a Deneb processor, you proving a 'tweaked' or 'cherry picked' processor can hit crazy frequencies will mean nothing. All that matters is what the average retail processor can do, anything else is nice to see, but completely irrelevant.

[cegras]

I usually do not organize what I call "freak of nature" demo, what I mean by this is that I am always very careful to use statistically representative parts to avoid misleading anybody.

This time, I got a Saturday FedEx delivery ...



This is from my Buddies Milke M and Mike H (thanks for going the extra miles), this is a freak of statistic, this part is not in the middle distribution of the curve, it actually leak some serious current ... but it does OC, really, like hell.
6Ghz, i know i can do it already, let s see what is the next Digit , and to make sure everything is fair, I ll be joining a master of OC, he knows better than I do about LN2

I am just going to be doing the same as our green buddies, dissable the thermal control, and let s see

I ll drop the result here before thanks giving week end!

No, go away. I'm not interested in shills and OC'ing with a part at the other end of the gaussian. Watching an intel employee come in here and astroturf is amusing, but the charade should end now, especially this appears to be a one sided contest with no AMD representative present.

Yes, I bet that leaky (I'll throw a term that I'm not really sure about, but it's quoted) chip will probably OC to over 6 or mid 6 or 7 and we'll all be oh gasp intel is better ha ha that's obvious let's all go buy core i7 and pay for this guy's deluxe subway lunch.

Besides, all we have is your word that this is a bad chip, and as I read more and more of you I'm less inclined to believe it. You should also back up your claim with data showing how exactly this chip is bad.

Furthermore, your claim of 'freak of nature' demo (implying, I guess, AMD cherry picked its chips?) is backed up by no evidence. Nor is anyone's claims of just taking random chips. Your word is as worthless as anybody else's.

Anyways, my point is, go away.

But I'll acknowledge your attempt at diverting attention to be successful. But that's not something I didn't expect from you.

[Marvin_The_Martian]

No, go away. I'm not interested in shills and OC'ing with a part at the other end of the gaussian. Watching an intel employee come in here and astroturf is amusing, but the charade should end now, especially this appears to be a one sided contest with no AMD representative present.

Yes, I bet that leaky (I'll throw a term that I'm not really sure about, but it's quoted) chip will probably OC to over 6 or mid 6 or 7 and we'll all be oh gasp intel is better ha ha that's obvious let's all go buy core i7 and pay for this guy's deluxe subway lunch.

Besides, all we have is your word that this is a bad chip, and as I read more and more of you I'm less inclined to believe it. You should also back up your claim with data showing how exactly this chip is bad.

Furthermore, your claim of 'freak of nature' demo (implying, I guess, AMD cherry picked its chips?) is backed up by no evidence. Nor is anyone's claims of just taking random chips. Your word is as worthless as anybody else's.

Anyways, my point is, go away.

But I'll acknowledge your attempt at diverting attention to be successful. But that's not something I didn't expect from you.

The forum is open for any AMD representative to comment as well

I think it's not fair to ask him to 'go away' as it's his right to be here just as much as yours?

As to the rest, as I told DrWho? ; Vids or it did not happen

I'm aware you feel like he's playing the pr man here, but don't you realise it's AMD who has initialised the whole pr parade with their demonstration? And then limiting the amount of information the people present could disclose?

It's fair game. I already unsubscribed to the fanboy thread in the amd section, but if you want to only blow AMD's trumpet, I'd advice you to go there and join sounddood.

[T_Flight]

So did I marvin, that forum has ran alot of people off. I saw one guy ask a question in there and the very next post came out of the gate starting that fanboi crap, and the thread went downhil from there. Didn;t see the guy but maybe 2 or 3 posts later and never saw him again.

DrWho? is a highly respected member here. He is highly knowledgeable, and people could learn alot from his experience. It's awesome that we get to talk to some of the people that work with this stuff directly.

[MrMojoZ]

DrWho? is a highly respected member here. He is highly knowledgeable, and people could learn alot from his experience. It's awesome that we get to talk to some of the people that work with this stuff directly.

Then why is he posting all this Intel crap in an AMD thread? After reading these posts I have zero respect for the guy, just like I would for someone posting AMD crap in an Intel thread. There is a place for his posts and it isn't in this thread.

[Sampsa]

I usually do not organize what I call "freak of nature" demo, what I mean by this is that I am always very careful to use statistically representative parts to avoid misleading anybody.

This time, I got a Saturday FedEx delivery ...



This is from my Buddies Milke M and Mike H (thanks for going the extra miles), this is a freak of statistic, this part is not in the middle distribution of the curve, it actually leak some serious current ... but it does OC, really, like hell.
6Ghz, i know i can do it already, let s see what is the next Digit , and to make sure everything is fair, I ll be joining a master of OC, he knows better than I do about LN2

I am just going to be doing the same as our green buddies, dissable the thermal control, and let s see

I ll drop the result here before thanks giving week end!

"One +6 GHz Core i7 please"

[Marvin_The_Martian]

"One +6 GHz Core i7 please"

I LOL'd real hard here

[Drwho?]

"One +6 GHz Core i7 please"

I think you should probably read it like : "Just got it!"

[Zucker2k]

I think you should probably read it like : "Just got it!"

Oh wow, he can do that folks. Me want one too.

[justapost]

Found an other interesting comment on the planet3dnow forum.

Original Source

Im direkten Vergleich beziehe ich mich auf einen i7 965 und einen nicht übertakteten Phenom II. Taktfrequenz des letzteren ist leider aufgrund des NDA nicht freigegeben, aber sovie darf ich verratenl: sie lag unter der des 965.

Translated

In the direct comparison I refered to an i7 965 and an non overclocked Phenom II. I can not share the frequency of the later one due to NDA, but I can say it was below 965.

The comment comes from mj who was present in austin, it was related to the quote I posted yesterday.

Lot of discussion had happend meanwhile, in case you missed it. He said an Phenom II made a good figure compared to an i7 965. They ran 7zip wprime farcry and crysis.

Does mean an unknown non overclocked Phenom II (3GHz?) performs like an i7 965 (Turbo/HT unknown, 3.2GHz? QPI/NB speed?) running on higher clocks with benchmarks like wprime, 7zip, farcry and crysis.

[informal]

Found an other interesting comment on the planet3dnow forum.

Original Source


Translated


The comment comes from mj who was present in austin, it was related to the quote I posted yesterday.

Lot of discussion had happend meanwhile, in case you missed it. He said an Phenom II made a good figure compared to an i7 965. They ran 7zip wprime farcry and crysis.

Does mean an unknown non overclocked Phenom II (3GHz?) performs like an i7 965 (Turbo/HT unknown, 3.2GHz?) running on higher clocks with benchmarks like wprime, 7zip, farcry and crysis.

Thanks justapost!
So the journalist says the comment was about non-clocked/stock Phenom 2 versus i965.The only model listed in online shops that could compete with that core i7 is 3Ghz a940.I guess in those 3 apps the results were close call so he made that comment.But averall,i think Phenom 2 will compete with middle core i7 model @ 2.93Ghz (i940).
I'm interested what wprime numbers does a940@3Ghz achieve.7zip is i/o intensive and faster mem. access + higher L3 clock could help a good bit there.As for fc2 and crysis tests the difference was probably small/non-existent since both are mostly gpu limited in normal gaming situations.
Thanks again for sharing the link.

In other news,Hexus is reporting another price cut round fror AMD lineup,about 10%-20% across the board:

AMD announces another round of desktop CPU price cuts
Scott Bicheno - 26 Nov 08, 4:01pm
As promised

AMD sent out a newsletter to its channel partners today confirming the price cuts it predicted when it last adjusted prices at the end of August.

The cuts will be effective as of the start of December but the new prices weren't published in the newsletter.

This is no hindrance for HEXUS.channel, however, as it gives us an excuse to pick up the phone to Raj Suman, product marketing director at giant distie Avnet, to get the word on the street.

Asked what he thought the significance of the move was, Suman said: "This strengthens AMD's position in the mid market as it enables it to offer even better bang4buck."

The prices below represent approximate street prices from Suman in the context of the volume sales with which he operates.



So we're looking at price cuts of 10-20 percent pretty much across the board from AMD. It has consistently stated it is targeting them mid market and it's certainly done that here.

With Intel's Core i7 targeting the enthusiast market AMD clearly sees this as an opportunity to make further inroads into the mainstream desktop space in advance of the launch of its next generation of processor in the new year.

Tell us what you think; do these price cuts make AMD processors more appealing than they did before? Let us know in the HEXUS.community.

[justapost]

Thanks justapost!
So the journalist says the comment was about non-clocked/stock Phenom 2 versus i965.The only model listed in online shops that could compete with that core i7 is 3Ghz a940.I guess in those 3 apps the results were close call so he made that comment.But averall,i think Phenom 2 will compete with middle core i7 model @ 2.93Ghz (i940).

Must say I assume they ran with turbo and ht off. wrime is getting an >20% boost from HT. Hardspell had showed only 5% increase at 2.3GHz for deneb vs agena. An 9950BE should need 12.5-13sec at 3GHz, that translates into 11.9-12.4sec on an deneb. An i965 with HT off (Turbo?) reached 11,47sec here. He did not say anything new afterall.