PCPER.com: 5 GHZ+ Phenom II Overclock on Dry Ice, 6Ghz on LN2

[DaMulta]

the dragon is so cool! way better than spider:

I agree almost to cool!!!!!



I'm dreaming of a dual socket(8 Core) 4ghz AMD machine

[donitsi]

Hahahahahaa I love Kirk

[Aussie FX]

macci's had a makeover.

[Rammsteiner]

Yes it means excatly that, thought top end =! best performance.

How do you think the different segments are rated -> by price
low end -> cheap, basic features
mid end -> medium price, advance features
high end -> high price, advance featuters + extras
top end -> highest price, advance featuters + extras + omfgwtfbbq gimmicks.

A Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3(P) also beats a Gigabyte GA-EP45-Extreme in regards to ocing and is 100€ cheaper... still the UD3 is a mid-end board and the Extreme is a highend board with its price...

But... !
That's done on purpose yes, by the same brand.

Now lets compare the Foxconn vs DFI or Asus. Foxconn was way overpriced while DFI and Asus were at least the same quality and offered the same features. I mean, DFI is in 99.99% already a top end board, what extra features should we look at? 299 more USB 2.0 ports? Big ass heat sinks with fancy colours having no purpose? The most advanced feature you want to have is a well laid-out BIOS, SB750 and thus ACC. Although Ive to admit the DFI would have been more fun if it had more phases though. But then take Asus instead, 20Euro more and also gives everything.

At some point there's a difference between advanced features and extra's and as you said, gimmicks. Extra gimmick does not mean it's a top end board, you just pay for it.

Uhm Asus says straight on their site it is 8+2 (what does the +2 mean?) and you can't see under the heatsink for anyone to say what it is, so I'm trusting that Asus knows what they are talking about

Calm might have been right already, but couldnt the +2 also mean that it was for the NB?

[Lastviking]

man, old Phenom has coldbug about -30 degrees, this not, now is 6.3GHz. Not 4GHz without water?Lol, i seen 2 Phenoms II at 4GHz with air and one with BOX cooler! U must only waiting , OC with air Phenom II is from 3.7-4.3GHz ...

Old Phenom did have coldbug?, wierd i have seen someone that used -60c on them without problem....So i dont think it did have coldbug like the K8 did have.

[donitsi]

Old Phenom did have coldbug?

You bet!

Seen many results w/phenom & LN2?

[Shintai]

The 2 addition phases are exclusive for the internal northbridge (like the "uncore" part on Nehalem, the IMC and the L3 cache).

Its for memory actually.

Extreme Engine
- 16-phase CPU power design
- 3-phase NB power design
- 2-phase DDR3 power design

This is just a LGA775 example for the most extreme.

The other one is CPU(8) and memory(2).

[Shintai]

Seems "someone" was spreading fud on the day AMD demoed high OCing capabilities of Deneb:
http://theovalich.wordpress.com/2008...re-i7-thunder/


Hm, "is it true that AMD was sold to a private investor." ."Someone" got some nice knee jerk reaction to the Deneb demo yesterday,were "they" worried?

edit:
More from Theo's post:


Also interesting bit is AM3 940 version has 16GB/s of BW with DDR3-1333:

940 is AM2+ and it got 16GB/sec with DDR2-1066. DDR3-1333 on 925/945 would be 20.8GB/sec give or take.

No AM3 chips or MB showed yet.

[demonkevy666]

940 is AM2+ and it got 16GB/sec with DDR2-1066. DDR3-1333 on 925/945 would be 20.8GB/sec give or take.

No AM3 chips or MB showed yet.

a big jump for such a small ram increase 4gbs from 260mhz....

[Shintai]

a big jump for such a small ram increase 4gbs from 260mhz....

25% higher clock, 25% higher speed since the numbers are theoretical peaks.

[v_rr]

940 is AM2+ and it got 16GB/sec with DDR2-1066. DDR3-1333 on 925/945 would be 20.8GB/sec give or take.

No AM3 chips or MB showed yet.

MB will be AMD 790/780 revision 2.0.
I think that it will be very fast the transition to DDR3.

The AMD 800 series + SB800 will take much longer.

[dinos22]

I spy a Dragon Evo.

the dragon is so cool! way better than spider:

He must feel really good about this, really nice to see AMD kicking up a little dust again.



Is Vince getting any royalties

hey Nedjo

the LN2 pot macci used is actually called Dragon Evo heheheh

[Hornet331]

But... !
That's done on purpose yes, by the same brand.

Now lets compare the Foxconn vs DFI or Asus. Foxconn was way overpriced while DFI and Asus were at least the same quality and offered the same features. I mean, DFI is in 99.99% already a top end board, what extra features should we look at? 299 more USB 2.0 ports? Big ass heat sinks with fancy colours having no purpose? The most advanced feature you want to have is a well laid-out BIOS, SB750 and thus ACC. Although Ive to admit the DFI would have been more fun if it had more phases though. But then take Asus instead, 20Euro more and also gives everything.

The asus top end mobo is more expensive then then the gigabyte topend mobo... does that mean asus is more topend then gigabyte?
There are just price segements just like with cpu.
Amd has right now no enthusiast market that would pay for such board, hence the slim choice of boards.
There are 4 boards with 790FX/SB750 combo... those are all midrange boards, thers no point in releasing a topend board that noone whats to buy due to price.

Wait when phenom 2 gets good reviews and 200€+ am3 boards pop up everywhere.

[largon]

Uhm Asus says straight on their site it is 8+2 (what does the +2 mean?) (...) so I'm trusting that Asus knows what they are talking about

The thing is, Asus doesn't know what they're talking about.

My bad, after looking they're both 8+2 phases. Got lost because the guy I quoted first said the M2A32 had only 4+1.

I say again; M2A32, M3A32 and M2A79-T Deluxe all have just 4+1 phases (4+1 = 4 for CPU + 1 for NB).

Its for memory actually.

Extreme Engine
- 16-phase CPU power design
- 3-phase NB power design
- 2-phase DDR3 power design

This is just a LGA775 example for the most extreme.

The other one is CPU(8) and memory(2).

Nope.

[dinos22]

gigabyte boards werent exactly first choice in previous AMD "good" days

it's good to see them improving a lot and being first choice for such an important demo

AMD didnt even use their own board eek

from Josh's report on i4memory
http://i4memory.com/f56/amd-austin-t...-inside-11713/

Phenom II processor
GIGABYTE GA-MA790GP-DS4H motherboard
Radeon HD4870X2 graphics
OCZ Reaper memory

more competition on all fronts is good news for consumers & manufacturers alike

[mAJORD]

I wouldn't be too worried if they're cherrypicked anyway..

65nm was a dog @ release, but even before G2 stepping they clocked heaps better with newer batches

[dinos22]

well there is always a bunch of user binned retail cherries on XS so benchers will eventually bin enough CPUs to find the right one

if this was done with no "tricks" Francois was alluding to then its fair game and we should see same or better results at XS

otherwise AMD's gonna have to do some serious explaining

[demonkevy666]

I just wonder if this was HTT or multiplier

[JumpingJack]

Indeed.

Hans -- you cannot make this conclusion without knowing at what Ioff and at what voltage the measurement was made.

Jack

[EnJoY]

I was surprised when I first heard of this, but like Dino and many other overclockers who were raised on AMD have said, I am very hopeful that this is all legitimate and what every enthusiast can expect from their Phenom II's. I'll certainly be building my next system with a Phenom II, and I cannot wait to start tweaking again.

[hollo]

if this was done with no "tricks" Francois was alluding to then its fair game and we should see same or better results at XS

otherwise AMD's gonna have to do some serious explaining

hmm i dunno
neither k8 nor k10 clocked well at release
ppl couldn't get k10 to 3ghz at launch like the 3ghz demo and cried foul, but now 3g is pretty easy on k10

so that a 6.3g post is possible at this stage is just insanely good news, i can barely believe it.
previous amd overclocking world record.... well www.ripping.org

[JumpingJack]

well there is always a bunch of user binned retail cherries on XS so benchers will eventually bin enough CPUs to find the right one

if this was done with no "tricks" Francois was alluding to then its fair game and we should see same or better results at XS

otherwise AMD's gonna have to do some serious explaining

I seriously doubt AMD did any "tricks" here ... They are trying to re-win the attention of the enthusiast community, and they way to do that is exactly what they are doing ... offering up something special at lower prices.

Phenom II is going to be much bigger success than Phenom was...

[T_Flight]

hmm i dunno
neither k8 nor k10 clocked well at release
ppl couldn't get k10 to 3ghz at launch like the 3ghz demo and cried foul, but now 3g is pretty easy on k10

so that a 6.3g post is possible at this stage is just insanely good news, i can barely believe it.
previous amd overclocking world record.... well www.ripping.org

Yes, that is why I posted what I did in my last post. If you keep crying wolf enough times, people are gonna start not believing you, and it backfires. That's just a rule of buisness..."don't promise things unless you can deliver with 100% certainty". They are months from release still. These "Deneb clocks to 4GHz on air" is really gonna hurt them if it ends up not materializing. It's all over the Internet now, and people are gonna expect it.

I have a freind that is selling off his Phenom rig because he is thoroughly disgusted with it. He said...and this is his exact words "They hyped this thing up and I bought into it, but not again." That is the loss of a customer. It's just one example.

[dinos22]

I seriously doubt AMD did any "tricks" here ... They are trying to re-win the attention of the enthusiast community, and they way to do that is exactly what they are doing ... offering up something special at lower prices.
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yeah i doubt it as well but its good to keep grounded because this is beyond any and every expectation i've had for AMD CPUs

really good news but i would hate for it to become sour news that's all i guess

Phenom II is going to be much bigger success than Phenom was...

lol no Einstein

[Drwho?]

Yes, that is why I posted what I did in my last post. If you keep crying wolf enough times, people are gonna start not believing you, and it backfires. That's just a rule of buisness..."don't promise things unless you can deliver with 100% certainty". They are months from release still. These "Deneb clocks to 4GHz on air" is really gonna hurt them if it ends up not materializing. It's all over the Internet now, and people are gonna expect it.

I have a freind that is selling off his Phenom rig because he is thoroughly disgusted with it. He said...and this is his exact words "They hyped this thing up and I bought into it, but not again." That is the loss of a customer. It's just one example.

Wait wait wait ... Let's see if they can make it, may be they do.
Let' s all be nice and wait. Let the Green team to have some fun and enjoy themselve.