Well, I forget which post was about market share.. but I know personally, that when it comes to company's like mine, AMD has a hard time getting one of there product sold. The owner and brother of the company will not let AMD be sold to our clients due to an instruction set that was not available back in very early AMD chips, and there for they were unable to run a propriatary (how ever you spell that) software on the systems they sold. I had a hard time a couple years ago getting them to put dual core opterons in for some workstations when AMD had the upper hand. It is hard to gain market share when you are not being used. Intel was still selling tons of there notcompetive chips, while AMD was better and still trying to get partners. Then Conroe hit, and bam...AMD knocked down. They still hold a strong performance in the multi socket server space..but that isn't enough. The desktop side..well let's face it, AMD is behind. Although I feel that overall, the Phenoms are faster clock for clock then the k8's. Intel just has a better desktop chip out. Now Deneb, should be better then Agena..and if people are buying Agena...they will also get deneb since it will obviosly have less power draw and more cache and other things.
On that note: I wonder if the NDA will be lifted after tomorrow, since it is supose to be the official launch on Shanghai. SO in theory, since shanghai is basically deneb, we can get a idea of how it will perform..therefore no longer will the secret of 45nm be able to be kept....
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Well, I forget which post was about market share.. but I know personally, that when it comes to company's like mine, AMD has a hard time getting one of there product sold. The owner and brother of the company will not let AMD be sold to our clients due to an instruction set that was not available back in very early AMD chips, and there for they were unable to run a propriatary (how ever you spell that) software on the systems they sold. I had a hard time a couple years ago getting them to put dual core opterons in for some workstations when AMD had the upper hand. It is hard to gain market share when you are not being used. Intel was still selling tons of there notcompetive chips, while AMD was better and still trying to get partners. Then Conroe hit, and bam...AMD knocked down. They still hold a strong performance in the multi socket server space..but that isn't enough. The desktop side..well let's face it, AMD is behind. Although I feel that overall, the Phenoms are faster clock for clock then the k8's. Intel just has a better desktop chip out. Now Deneb, should be better then Agena..and if people are buying Agena...they will also get deneb since it will obviosly have less power draw and more cache and other things. 
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