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Trust me, right now, Intel is running fast, even without AMD around, what you are talking about is just in the imagination of some people.

This is a very personal view, I lived through this as one of the P4 performance guy, I was an insider on this, trust me, if you look at the memory controler of Nehalem, you ll figure out that on many main stream programs, it does not help much yet, proving that AMD claims about memory controler were base less.

Just remember, Competition is good, but it is not always what drives people. In my case, I try to make the CPU faster, for same reason other people will tune up their Nissan GTR ... For the love of it, and I can tell you that Ronak and his team are the same, they love CPU architecture, and they work every day for making it faster and better.
Forget the fan boys discussions, it is all about "pimp my ride" thinking, get it fast, get it good, and please, give us the right to be proud of our archivements.

Let's keep the olympic spirit, that the best we can do for all of us.

"Olympism seeks to create a way of life based on the joy found in effort, the educational value of a good example and respect for universal fundamental ethical principles. "
Pierre de Coubertin

Oh really? Where was all this ethic when any company has a dominant position in the market? For example, what's going on with Microsoft right now? AMD with the X2? Nvidia with the G80?

Naive. Your opinion as an insider has even less weight because we, the consumers, are the ones that truly see what the company does on the outside. Whatever chugs away on the inside doesn't matter, because we interact with the outside, we exchange money for your product.

As 'elegant' as the memory controller that AMD uses 'feels', one has to admit that the intel platform accomplishes more given the same energy input (however you choose to distribute it among the platform). However, from what I've seen that only applies to the desktop. I'm sure AMD has had better performance in the server segment for a long time, where the sheer volume of requests can easily overwhelm an FSB based structure (of course this switched when Barcelona did not meet expectations, but look at the Shanghai results now).