Deneb just around the corner?

[roofsniper]

And just what exactly is there to know about AMD?

They have been behind in performance on the desktop ever since Core 2 was released and it doesn't appear that has any hope of changing until they release a new architecture.

It is difficult to imagine that Deneb will be a game changer, even if it does end up improving AMD's competitive position somewhat, but saying this apparently makes me a heretic.

Some people need to take a more rational approach.

it is hard having an educated conversation with you as you just make stuff up and so things without fact. and i can't believe you think others need to take a more rational approach when you don't know any facts at all. just because you believe intel is better and amd is completely behind in performance doesn't mean you need to come in here when amd is releasing a new chip and acting like ehhhhh its gonna suck. you have no basis for you information other than your opinion and because of that you having nothing to say of use my friend.

[charged3800z24]

Well, AMD is not hugely lacking in performance..They just don't have a high end dhip out yet. The Current Phenoms hold their own at their price. It is just right now AMD has a lil less edge in the market they are in. Just like Intel did a few years back. AMD stated back a few months ago ( I will try to find the source...) that they did not intend on stealing the performance crown yet, and will focus on the low and midrange in the desktop CPU side. There quad cores do well in the Multi server market, and shanghi will extend the performance quite well. They are focusing on servers where it is more profitable for them. The desktop side will just see a nice boost which is a plus for us AM2/AM2+ owners. And who knows, we might see a nice surprise with Deneb...they said they had better then expected results in the revisions made to the 45nm chips.

[roofsniper]

Well, AMD is not hugely lacking in performance..They just don't have a high end dhip out yet. The Current Phenoms hold their own at their price. It is just right now AMD has a lil less edge in the market they are in. Just like Intel did a few years back. AMD stated back a few months ago ( I will try to find the source...) that they did not intend on stealing the performance crown yet, and will focus on the low and midrange in the desktop CPU side. There quad cores do well in the Multi server market, and shanghi will extend the performance quite well. They are focusing on servers where it is more profitable for them. The desktop side will just see a nice boost which is a plus for us AM2/AM2+ owners. And who knows, we might see a nice surprise with Deneb...they said they had better then expected results in the revisions made to the 45nm chips.

+1 you always feel the need to enlighten people.

[GenTarkin]

Well, AMD is not hugely lacking in performance..They just don't have a high end dhip out yet. The Current Phenoms hold their own at their price. It is just right now AMD has a lil less edge in the market they are in. Just like Intel did a few years back. AMD stated back a few months ago ( I will try to find the source...) that they did not intend on stealing the performance crown yet, and will focus on the low and midrange in the desktop CPU side. There quad cores do well in the Multi server market, and shanghi will extend the performance quite well. They are focusing on servers where it is more profitable for them. The desktop side will just see a nice boost which is a plus for us AM2/AM2+ owners. And who knows, we might see a nice surprise with Deneb...they said they had better then expected results in the revisions made to the 45nm chips.

Well, I just hope the above mentioned "they said they had better then expected results in the revisions made to the 45nm chipset." statement from them is true this time. I remember around before the launch of the phenom they said the same thing about it and it was a let down to everyone.
Phenom has finally grown into something worthy, I think, but at first it had a stumbling jump outta the gate.

I just wonder if the above statement applys to all us enthusiasts who are hoping to 3-4ghz on air easily....vs what they(AMD) are truely internally satisfied with ie: 3.3ghz or something meager...

[charged3800z24]

Well, I just hope the above mentioned "they said they had better then expected results in the revisions made to the 45nm chipset." statement from them is true this time. I remember around before the launch of the phenom they said the same thing about it and it was a let down to everyone.
Phenom has finally grown into something worthy, I think, but at first it had a stumbling jump outta the gate.

I just wonder if the above statement applys to all us enthusiasts who are hoping to 3-4ghz on air easily....vs what they(AMD) are truely internally satisfied with ie: 3.3ghz or something meager...

They have feed back from HP, and others that say the are very happy with Shanghai. They even moved up the launch, so I think it is a good sign. AMD hasn't been into talking alot lately about there products..and like the 4000 series GPU's..they just came out swinging..there was a lot of sites saying what the GPU's were supose to have in shaders etc..but no one new the real power the chips would have until they hit. As stated on here many time, no ones really knows for sure...but it is still pretty much known it is going to be a better product. Pat Patla seems pretty excited about how thing have come with the 45nm chips.. So here's to hoping we can be as excited when they come out.

[Chad Boga]

it is hard having an educated conversation with you as you just make stuff up and so things without fact. and i can't believe you think others need to take a more rational approach when you don't know any facts at all. just because you believe intel is better and amd is completely behind in performance doesn't mean you need to come in here when amd is releasing a new chip and acting like ehhhhh its gonna suck. you have no basis for you information other than your opinion and because of that you having nothing to say of use my friend.

I don't think it is a big stretch to suggest that Deneb will not get the kind of performance gains one would only see with the introduction of a new architecture.

Do you really find it so odd that I would seek to call into question way over the top optimism for Deneb?

If it was Bulldozer coming out and the same IPC improvements were spouted for it, that would be very believable, but for a shrink and some extra cache, that is la la land stuff.

[roofsniper]

i doubt it will come out with gains as good as a new architecture will. but since the original k10 architecture was very rough and needed a lot of tweaking (which has been done now) i think it will have a considerable performance enhancement over current phenoms.