BTW I've got the 3.8Ghz Q6600 in my sig and this E8500 @ ~ 4.5ish. Still debating which one I should keep. Dammit it's my gaming rig, the other one that encodes and acts as server is already 3.2Ghz quad, it's a hard decision - I love the quad but I do think 4.5Ghz is faster...and looks more exciting!!