"ASUS P5Q Deluxe discussion".

[truehighroller]

can anyone verify that the PCI-E lock actually works?

im really starting to think it doesnt past a certain point.

What is it supposed to do?

[CERO]

can anyone verify that the PCI-E lock actually works?

im really starting to think it doesnt past a certain point.

what did made u make this assumption?

[ThugsRook]

What is it supposed to do?

its supposed to lock the PCI-E bus @ 100mhz. if it doesnt the PCI-E bus will overclock along with the FSB. most vid cards do not like the PCI-E bus overclocked and the card will produce artifacts, not run, or maybe even fry.

for example:
400fsb with a locked will produce 100mhz PCI-E. however if thats as far as the PCI-E lock will go then @ 500fsb you will be running a 125mhz PCI-E bus. assuming that will even run, stability will fall off quickly @ 505, 510, 515fsb, etc.

my testing along with many other comments in this thread leads me to believe the PCI-E lock is not working past 500fsb. on some previous bios' that might even be as low as 466fsb or 400fsb.

in other words.... no PCI-E lock = no serious overclocking, let alone with any real stability.

[RejZoR]

Any idea why ppl set PCIe to 101MHz most of the time? Any special reason, possibly related to PCI/PCIe lock?

[CryptiK]

I'm not sure about that, i have hit 590 FSB (limited by the low vcore of 1.32v I was using), and can easily bench at 571 FSB. I also know Leeghoofd hit 600FSB, so I think PCI-E lock works. Also leeghoofd tested and couldn't boot the pc when he manually set the PCI-E freq to 110+ so I would assume if it went above that due to PCI-E lock failure, it would not boot either.

What comments/testing results lead you to your hypothesis?

It has been an almost 210 mins , but the lights went off.

You mean there was a blackout or your pc lights went off?

[jas420221]

There are plenty of people that run pcie bus to 110Mhz or so... Its just if your board can handle it is the thing.

[ThugsRook]

Any idea why ppl set PCIe to 101MHz most of the time? Any special reason, possibly related to PCI/PCIe lock?

i have tried 101, 103, 105, and 110mhz. 110 fails, but then again i cant verify it is 110, might actually be 135 depending on if the PCI-E lock is working correctly or not.

setFSB always shows too high a PCI-E clock. (yup, 125mhz @ 500fsb) it might be right but i dont trust it w/o some sort of 2nd opinion.

[CryptiK]

Tried underclocking the PCI-E freq and retesting? Is it limiting your overclock you think?

[Polizei]

Sorry I meant at the screen where it says click here to load drivers but, it doesn't matter right now any way because you already have Vista installed any way. Just update your drivers sorry bout the confusion.

Ah, that's ok. I can just download them and install them through Windows? That works, I suppose. I was going to say... my RAID performance looked an awful lot like my old ICH7R benchies, and I thought ICH10R would be better.

[Tulû]

You mean there was a blackout or your pc lights went off?

Was a stupid blackout .
I'm scared to try a blend again.
If it can't pass this time ?

[ThugsRook]

Tried underclocking the PCI-E freq and retesting? Is it limiting your overclock you think?

nice suggestion! i have not tried underclocking the PCI-E, will try that next.

the problem im having....
im easily Prime95 stable @ 525fsb with any multiplier 6x thru 8x. (its a e8200) however 3D benching and gaming randomly falls off the face of the earth starting @ 505fsb. no amount of voltage or downtweaking helps in the slightest.

i tried jumpin to 533, 550, 566 hoping the lock would reengage, but that didnt work. CPU benching yes, 3D benching no.

also...
@ 400fsb i have zero artifacts, but as i approach 500fsb a very small amount of artifacts will appear in certain places. not randomly but in certain places. could easily have overlooked them if i wasnt paying close attention for them.

i swapped out a few vid drivers sets, downclocked the card, changed quality settings, etc, nothing helped there.

i cant help thinking this reminds of the days before AGP lock were depending on your vid card you might have to jump 33mhz fsb in order to retain AGP lock until of course it just ran out of dividers and the AGP would overclock.




EDIT: i almost forgot... the "3D PCI-E problem" also happens in the 480-499fsb range, no 3D benching there but 500fsb is OK.

[CERO]

its supposed to lock the PCI-E bus @ 100mhz. if it doesnt the PCI-E bus will overclock along with the FSB. most vid cards do not like the PCI-E bus overclocked and the card will produce artifacts, not run, or maybe even fry.

for example:
400fsb with a locked will produce 100mhz PCI-E. however if thats as far as the PCI-E lock will go then @ 500fsb you will be running a 125mhz PCI-E bus. assuming that will even run, stability will fall off quickly @ 505, 510, 515fsb, etc.

my testing along with many other comments in this thread leads me to believe the PCI-E lock is not working past 500fsb. on some previous bios' that might even be as low as 466fsb or 400fsb.

in other words.... no PCI-E lock = no serious overclocking, let alone with any real stability.

I am fully aware what PCI-E does....... but it could be anything else what is causing it not passing 500fsb... Strap/dividers and many other things

Guys i had some weird findings, I appearently flashed my board to BIOS 1201 as soon I received it. It came however shipped with 0803, So i dont have any idea if the previous BIOS might be better. The weird thing with this bios is if I want to use a a VTT of 1.12 I cant boot normally if I pass 1.22NBv , if I use 1.24NB or more a VTT of at least 1.16v is required for 400fsb or higher. And I do have some occasional Blackscreens on boot sometimes randomly.
Is there any better BIOS around then 1201? ( poiting @ 1103/0803)?

[zizo]

Here is my memory performance with 4GB:



Needs 1.30 vNB to be linpack stable

Can you post all your settings. My board doesn't boot more than 470FSB with 4 sticks of ram.

[truehighroller]

I found out what was wrong with my setup. The new option called CPU Margin Enhancement I believe not by it right now at work.. Apparently it has been causing issues on the 9450 for some reason. This option is to enhance overclocking FSB wise. I guess my chip just got fedup with the setting at the point that my RMAed board stopped working. Supposebly if you set it to compatible you can land more of an overclock.. FYI for everyone here. They are going to take my specs and try to duplicate it and when they do they will send me a beta to try to resolve the issue for me..

P.S. you load the driver by extracting the files as mentioned on previous post and go to device manager and open the storage controllers part and right click on the Intel stoage controller which wil say ICH8R / ICH9R and click on the update driver software I do believe it says and the rest is pointing it towards the drivers.. The tech I spoke with knew what he was doing.

[davidoff619]

hi all can anyone help stable at last but only 4 hours then core 4 fails prime small test
so then i decided to look intel burn in test but found passmark everything was good but the ram just didnt pass anything in 30 mins

my system spec
qx9650
9800gx2
p5q dlx
ocz pc2-8000

bios settings
475 x 8.5
pcie 101
dram 951
ram timings 5-5-5-15 row refresh cycle time 55

cpu voltage 1.43125
cpu pll 1.56
fsb voltage 1.36
dram voltage 2.02
nb voltage 1.40

Everything ive missed is set to auto

load line cal is enabled

everything else disabled

can anyone tell me where to find intel burnin test & what could be wrong for my ram to keep failing in passmark burn in

[truehighroller]

I found out what was wrong with my setup. The new option called CPU Margin Enhancement I believe not by it right now at work.. Apparently it has been causing issues on the 9450 for some reason. This option is to enhance overclocking FSB wise. I guess my chip just got fedup with the setting at the point that my RMAed board stopped working. Supposebly if you set it to compatible you can land more of an overclock.. FYI for everyone here. They are going to take my specs and try to duplicate it and when they do they will send me a beta to try to resolve the issue for me..

P.S. you load the driver by extracting the files as mentioned on previous post and go to device manager and open the storage controllers part and right click on the Intel stoage controller which wil say ICH8R / ICH9R and click on the update driver software I do believe it says and the rest is pointing it towards the drivers.. The tech I spoke with knew what he was doing.

I'm supprised no one has said that's what it is for yet..

[BeastNotro]

CPU Margin Enhancement it tells you in the manual what it is for...

i run it at optimze on my q6600.

[CERO]

CPU Margin Enhancement it tells you in the manual what it is for...

i run it at optimze on my q6600.

Not in my manual since it came with later BIOS i doubt it, or u have a special editon ManuaL

Guys i had some weird findings, I appearently flashed my board to BIOS 1201 as soon I received it. It came however shipped with 0803, So i dont have any idea if the previous BIOS might be better. The weird thing with this bios is if I want to use a a VTT of 1.12 I cant boot normally if I pass 1.22NBv , if I use 1.24NB or more a VTT of at least 1.16v is required for 400fsb or higher. And I do have some occasional Blackscreens on boot sometimes randomly.
Is there any better BIOS around then 1201? ( poiting @ 1103/0803)?

Any1? :X

[Mumid]

Can you post all your settings. My board doesn't boot more than 470FSB with 4 sticks of ram.

Bios 1201:

**** System Performance Settings ****
*******************************
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.5
FSB Frequency: 500
PCI-E Frequency: 100
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333 Mhz
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1201 MHz
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information: 5-5-5-15-3-42-6-3
CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: AUTO
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

2nd Information : 7-3-5-4-5-4-6
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO

3rd Information : 14-5-1-5-5
WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO

DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
DRAM Read Training: Enabled
MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
AI Clock Twister: Moderate
AI Transaction Booster: Manual

Common Performance Level: 8
All Pull-In's: Enabled

CPU Voltage: 1.30625
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): Auto
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): Auto
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.22
NB Voltage: 1.28
DRAM Voltage: 2.20
NB GTL Reference: Auto
SBridge Voltage: Auto
PCIE SATA Voltage: Auto

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew: Auto
NB Clock Skew: Auto
CPU Margin Enhancement: Optimized

**** Advance CPU Settings ****
**************************
CPU Ratio Setting : 8.5x
C1E Support: Enabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel Virtualization Tech: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

[BeastNotro]

Not in my manual since it came with later BIOS i doubt it, or u have a special editon ManuaL

Any1? :X

AH your right i know i read about somewhere ... lol ... not in manual either...

I found on the internet thats where:

"This option may allow for higher FSB frequencies when set to "Compatibility" on certain CPUs."

[aamsel]

I am testing an E8600 on a P5Q-D.
401 X 10 is a breeze at 1.2v, quite amazing.
500 x 8 is not as stable.

Running 401 x 10 with DDR2 @ 1006, should I have the strap to Northbridge at AUTO (which it is now) or at some certain speed? How do you know what to set the strap to?

[jas420221]

hi all can anyone help stable at last but only 4 hours then core 4 fails prime small test
so then i decided to look intel burn in test but found passmark everything was good but the ram just didnt pass anything in 30 mins

my system spec
qx9650
9800gx2
p5q dlx
ocz pc2-8000

bios settings
475 x 8.5
pcie 101
dram 951
ram timings 5-5-5-15 row refresh cycle time 55

cpu voltage 1.43125
cpu pll 1.56
fsb voltage 1.36
dram voltage 2.02
nb voltage 1.40

Everything ive missed is set to auto

load line cal is enabled

everything else disabled

can anyone tell me where to find intel burnin test & what could be wrong for my ram to keep failing in passmark burn in

Riase the GLTref on core 4.

Burn in --> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=197835

[davidoff619]

Riase the GLTref on core 4.

Burn in --> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=197835

I know the rams default is 1000mhz 5-5-5-18 @ 2.0 v so should I drop voltage abit and the timings thanks again David

[douirc]

sorry for the n00b question, but how do you set 10:9 so i can run my fsb at 450 and my mem at 500? my 780i did it, but i can't figure it out on the p5q-d. also, how do you read the nb and sb temps on the mobo? does any of the included software monitor those temps?

btw...this p5q pisses on the 780i. i'm running 0.1v lower and 12C cooler at the same 3.6 ghz. so glad i upgraded!

[jas420221]

I know the rams default is 1000mhz 5-5-5-18 @ 2.0 v so should I drop voltage abit and the timings thanks again David

default is .67 . try setting than manually for all cores (2 adjustments) reboot, see if it lasts longer or not.. if it doesnt, up them .01 until you hit .7 if that doesnt work, bump the vcore up one notch, and the gtl at .67 .