Apogee GTZ

[IanY]

The dies are big. That we know.

Everythning on Nehalem is pure speculation.

What makes you think that info is not disseminated in another language besides English ?

XS is fond of viewing itself as the boundaries of planet earth.

The X58 mobos are ready for production.

[Kayin]

It's most likely a laminar flow grid array of some sort. At this point, I'm tempted to say cast pin-fin with each fin shaped for max surface area. That would offer quite an increase in surface area, which should result in a decently-sized boost in cooling.

This conjecture is developed solely by noting the design of the block, the previous offering from the company, and a bit of knowledge of block design (ok, a fair bit of knowledge...). However, I'm ALMOST confident enough to take bets.

[NaeKuh]

bah..
i'll let everyone just guess.
Just its funny how everyone so quickly discredits the EK.

Lets just say im already preping a mounting plate for my EK, and better accelerators to compensate.

i think i'll have fun with my ek b4 all of you guys will.

oh, yes on NEHA.

Everythning on Nehalem is pure speculation.

uhh... no...

If your on my friends list, you'll know i dont speculate about neha.

[IanY]

Note that I am not aligned with Naekuh's opinion, and yet he has the grace to not ridicule me.

Some people like to believe that they hold the Tablets on the Temple Mount.

OK whatever. Everyone's got a back chute, and thus two opinions.

[NaeKuh]

lol everyone is intitled to there own opinions.

But theres a reason why i was praising the EK for having such a large cooling head area.

Time to show it off.




Im in the process of getting a carbon fiber mounting plate for it.
And yes im talking about fittings for the X58


Accelerators will take some time. I need to figure out how to do this.

Oh but we take the cuirrent arguement, leave everything at stock, everything will fail.

We neeed tweeks. oh the apogeeGT and gtx will have a resurrection for sure, only to get phased out by new accelerators.


Also i bet you swiftech and DangerDen will be first to release revisions for neha. Like always.

[IanY]

Sometimes, first responders to market lose.

Like you mentioned, some people learnt the art of imitation from the Japanese.

[71 (Bryan)]

lol everyone is intitled to there own opinions.

But theres a reason why i was praising the EK for having such a large cooling head area.

Time to show it off.




Im in the process of getting a carbon fiber mounting plate for it.
And yes im talking about fittings for the X58


Accelerators will take some time. I need to figure out how to do this.

Oh but we take the cuirrent arguement, leave everything at stock, everything will fail.

We neeed tweeks. oh the apogeeGT and gtx will have a resurrection for sure, only to get phased out by new accelerators.


Also i bet you swiftech and DangerDen will be first to release revisions for neha. Like always.

carbon fiber plate for what?
i like carbon fiber

[NaeKuh]

carbon fiber plate for what?
i like carbon fiber

hold down plate.

instead of a stainless steel plate it currently has.


carbon fiber = Sexy. Hands down.

[majestik]

Lets just say im already preping a mounting plate for my EK, and better accelerators to compensate.

pictures please

[NaeKuh]

pictures please

dont want to steal from the GTZ thread.

i'll make a new one after NDA is over.

Sorry im bound to NDA, so i cant really speak much of it.

[71 (Bryan)]

i like carbon fiber, i wish more pc companys would use carbon fiber

[majestik]

Give me your money and i'll send you some carbon fiber stickers.

[Martinm210]

FYI, Recieved an email from Swiftech that I should be getting a sample to test when stock is available..so it will be in my roundup I'm starting on..

[ThrustSSC]

FYI, Recieved an email from Swiftech that I should be getting a sample to test when stock is available..so it will be in my roundup I'm starting on..

Sounds good, can you tell us what blocks your going to test?

[Xilikon]

Glad to hear this, Martin

[jonny_ftm]

What makes you think that info is not disseminated in another language besides English ?

XS is fond of viewing itself as the boundaries of planet earth.

The X58 mobos are ready for production.

I just didn't read nothing about this on other forums. And as of your statement, hopefully I think that some french, german, italian and other english forums are as good if not better than XS on some areas

Sadely I don't know chinese/corean and other such languages you know maybe...

If your on my friends list, you'll know i dont speculate about neha.

I'm not on your list but I'm sure as soon as Nehalem is out for the masses, we'll have many great reviewers, not only here, to test and compare current WB when compatible backplates are released.

FYI, Recieved an email from Swiftech that I should be getting a sample to test when stock is available..so it will be in my roundup I'm starting on..

That's great news Thank you in advance. Sure August is gonna be an interesting month

[gabe]

I have tried to look at it that the testing should be uncompensated but how long can that last?

My main concern is that people such as Martin, nik, and mcoffey will get tired of all the expense and long hours of tedious testing and will go by the wayside. ....

I do share that concern indeed

Telling me that I should have to pay for testing to prove that someone's product does what they claim is absurd. Manufacturers should not only supply their test data but I would think they would love to have an independent validate their findings. ....

but you are missing the point entirely... independants are no longer independants if we (manufacturers) pay them!

All I hear from the Public is "who can I trust?" the minute I start paying an independant for testing and publish his results, the data becomes subject to questionning..

[gabe]

FYI, The $40 a month I've averaged in donations has covered my webhosting which I appreciate very much But any future donations should go to XS, I don't even want to think about what sort of bandwidth we eat up BSing here.

BTW, I am finally getting ready to start in on my CPU block testing again, but I have no idea if I'll get one of these to try. I did manage to find an Apogee GT (traded a fellow member some testing gear for it), so I will at least include that one...

Back on topic to the GTZ...I'd really like to see some internals when that's ready for the public.

You will, you will, it's a question of days now, if not hours.

make sure you bow the GT.. we only ship it bowed now. makes a big diff in perfs. can provide o-ring if needed.

[Fusion2002]

Any way I can order a set of those nice springs to use on my GTX? I love the black look!

[71 (Bryan)]

Give me your money and i'll send you some carbon fiber stickers.

love CF but hate cf stickers with passion
any chance of seeing the GTZ with CF hold down plates in the future?

[Martinm210]

You will, you will, it's a question of days now, if not hours.

make sure you bow the GT.. we only ship it bowed now. makes a big diff in perfs. can provide o-ring if needed.

Awesome, I will do so, thanks Gabe

[SiGfever]

I do share that concern indeed



but you are missing the point entirely... independants are no longer independants if we (manufacturers) pay them!

All I hear from the Public is "who can I trust?" the minute I start paying an independant for testing and publish his results, the data becomes subject to questionning..

So you are saying that Independent Testing Labs around the world can't be trusted because they are paid to do a job? If the Independents are on your payroll then their testing would be in question as independent, but if you contract someone to do outside testing on your product how would that lessen their findings.

As Martin has stated he can make damn good money by working OT at his place of employment so the testing is nothing but a losing cost to him. Thank goodness that these people have the passion for this testing but long hours without compensation can make one change their mind. And the loss of someone of these guys caliber would be a loss for the whole industry.

[Xilikon]

So you are saying that Independent Testing Labs around the world can't be trusted because they are paid to do a job? If the Independents are on your payroll then their testing would be in question as independent, but if you contract someone to do outside testing on your product how would that lessen their findings.

As Martin has stated he can make damn good money by working OT at his place of employment so the testing is nothing but a losing cost to him. Thank goodness that these people have the passion for this testing but long hours without compensation can make one change their mind. And the loss of someone of these guys caliber would be a loss for the whole industry.

Laboratories like UL, CSA, ISO, etc... are all paid by governments or industry pooling the money to get the certifications. By pooling the money, everyone agree to take the risk of a testing/review showing the product negatively. However, this should promote them to make sure the products they release in the market is up to the customers expectation. The key difference is if a single manufacturer pay someone or somebody to do the testing, then I agree this would taint the whole process in a certain extent.

This is why having a pool of money funded by every manufacturer would warrant a fair testing process since each manufacturer is equally affected by the outcome. Never allow a single manufacturer to fund it.

[gillbot]

FYI, The $40 a month I've averaged in donations has covered my webhosting which I appreciate very much But any future donations should go to XS, I don't even want to think about what sort of bandwidth we eat up BSing here.

BTW, I am finally getting ready to start in on my CPU block testing again, but I have no idea if I'll get one of these to try. I did manage to find an Apogee GT (traded a fellow member some testing gear for it), so I will at least include that one...

Back on topic to the GTZ...I'd really like to see some internals when that's ready for the public.

I'd be glad to loan any blocks I have that you don't for testing. You'll just have to deal with NaeKuh while my rig is down. LOL!

I have an Apogee, Apogee GT and Dtek FuZion V1 though you probably have most of these already.

[Martinm210]

Sounds good, can you tell us what blocks your going to test?

Sure, Not sure I'll get them all done, but I should have the following I'll be working on:

• Apogee GTZ
• Apogee GT
• Apogee Drive
• Danger Den MC-TDX
• Danger Den TDX
• D-Tek Fuzion V1
• D-Tek Fuzion V2
• XSPC Edge Acrylic
• EK Supreme
• Aqua Computers Double Impact
• Thermalright XWB-01

But I'm not rushing this, going to take my time and do the full 5 mount detailed testing and some of them I might test with different nozzles, etc.

I'm also going to setup my flow meter in the test loop to record actual flow rate (Not completely necessary, but why not make use of it), going to run straight water, and I'm going to spend some time prior getting the actual heat load in watts of my processor so I can generate c/w values and maybe even play with the OC to determine the heat load at different overclocks.

Should be good I hope to maybe take the estimators a step further.

I've even been pondering running more than one pump scenario, perhaps one and then two DDCs with tops just to iron out if extra pumping power does anything or not.