Nehalem-EP......BLOOMFIELD

[Donnie27]

I wondered how HT on nehalem performed, therefore I compared with my logical 8 threads system.

I'm quite sure nehalem will cost more than my setup when it's out..

Got it in one After all I am not mad either, I would under no circumstances dump up to 800USD on two 2347's today..

Look up post number 804 - 807 and compare constructivness to your post, and we can discuss threadcrapping. How much time did it take you to write your post?
Three sec's I assume: One: copy BS post from some AMD thread you have threadcrapped, two: paste into this one, three: "submit reply".

Excuse me I do not understand your intent with this post. As I answered STaRGaZeR, I wondered how HT on nehalem performed, therefore I compared with my logical 8 threads system. I do not want a "showdown" with you. It was my intent to show something to compare nehalem with. This obviously is not something anyone here want to be done, so I'll remove them at once.

Please scroll up to my answer to Donnie27s post. The same applies for you.

You started thread crapping and 807 is a thread crap if there ever was one! If what went on in the Deneb thread is thread crapping then yours and others are just that=P

Your idea of trying to compare two Quad Cores to One breaks any rule of comparisons except for a Desperate AMD Fanboy move. This made even more lame by trying to down play costs. You do something silly like comparing used buggy items to products not shipping or even new is a bad joke

You and your buddies don't understand benchmarking, you don't get price to performance and it is just like I said, just win baby! Nehalem's price lists were given. No one is complaining about yours and other's post "Nit-Picking" because unlike those AMD threads, no one cares that you don't get it Nehalem doesn't need propaganda like K10 or whatever.

[Movieman]

To all here;
Lets try to keep this friendly ok.
Some people like AMD, some Intel.
Hell I have an old AMD FX51 in the other room that I think is one hell of a machine for a single core but it's time has come and gone...BUT I still keep it because for what it is, it demands respect.
An interesting point for the AMD lovers:
That little single core FX51@2423mhz would outdo my old dual cpu Intel 2400/512/533 machine in DC work... Yes, great respect for that little beast!

BUT today that isn't the case and why I offered LIKMARK to compare his AMD to my Harpertown which I KNOW, not think, is substantially slower clock for clock than the coming Nehalem 8 core Gainstown system.
I generally use Cinebench 10 to show pure cpu power.
A Gainstown at 3000 will out perform my Harpertown at 3574mhz, the max I was able to push the X5482's I had borrowed for 2 weeks on stock volts.
With those X5482's I was able to pull a SP1m time of 13.297s at 3603/12mb/1800( Yes, 450 on FBDimms! ) and thats on a workstation board with FBDimms and you know how badly WS boards do on SuperPi. For comparison the best I was able to get from the Clovers was 15.5s
Now I can tell you that the Harpertown is pretty damn impressive in it's own right. On a daily basis it produces app 40% more than my 8 core clovertown machines and they aren't that bad.
Now taking all this into consideration can anyone wonder why there is so much excitement over the coming Nehalems?
Lets not get lost in another AMD vs Intel battle.
Someone wants AMD, fine by me, buy it. They can use the money coming in but don't tell me they will benchmark with the current Intels let alone what is coming because they just plain won't do it.
That isn't me being a fanboy, thats just plain fact.

[Donnie27]

To all here;
Lets try to keep this friendly ok.
Some people like AMD, some Intel.
Hell I have an old AMD FX51 in the other room that I think is one hell of a machine for a single core but it's time has come and gone...BUT I still keep it because for what it is, it demands respect.
An interesting point for the AMD lovers:
That little single core FX51@2423mhz would outdo my old dual cpu Intel 2400/512/533 machine in DC work... Yes, great respect for that little beast!

BUT today that isn't the case and why I offered LIKMARK to compare his AMD to my Harpertown which I KNOW, not think, is substantially slower clock for clock than the coming Nehalem 8 core Gainstown system.
I generally use Cinebench 10 to show pure cpu power.
A Gainstown at 3000 will out perform my Harpertown at 3574mhz, the max I was able to push the X5482's I had borrowed for 2 weeks on stock volts.
With those X5482's I was able to pull a SP1m time of 13.297s at 3603/12mb/1800( Yes, 450 on FBDimms! ) and thats on a workstation board with FBDimms and you know how badly WS boards do on SuperPi. For comparison the best I was able to get from the Clovers was 15.5s
Now I can tell you that the Harpertown is pretty damn impressive in it's own right. On a daily basis it produces app 40% more than my 8 core clovertown machines and they aren't that bad.
Now taking all this into consideration can anyone wonder why there is so much excitement over the coming Nehalems?
Lets not get lost in another AMD vs Intel battle.
Someone wants AMD, fine by me, buy it. They can use the money coming in but don't tell me they will benchmark with the current Intels let alone what is coming because they just plain won't do it.
That isn't me being a fanboy, thats just plain fact.

qft!

[villa1n]

You started thread crapping and 807 is a thread crap if there ever was one! If what went on in the Deneb thread is thread crapping then yours and others are just that=P

Your idea of trying to compare two Quad Cores to One breaks any rule of comparisons except for a Desperate AMD Fanboy move. This made even more lame by trying to down play costs. You do something silly like comparing used buggy items to products not shipping or even new is a bad joke

You and your buddies don't understand benchmarking, you don't get price to performance and it is just like I said, just win baby! Nehalem's price lists were given. No one is complaining about yours and other's post "Nit-Picking" because unlike those AMD threads, no one cares that you don't get it Nehalem doesn't need propaganda like K10 or whatever.

I would have to disagree. I feel its a very relevant comparison. Especially if you have a thresh-hold of performance, your server needs to meet, as a company that is useful to know. And then it really does come down to price/perf, a 1p intel server vs a 2p amd server with 8 cores theoretically, a comparison between the two is very relevant. Of course google and the like just want max performance, but small business, that have 1 or 2 servers, with specific performance requirements, the dollars and cents of performance vs operating costs on the hair thin margins most web based business operates on, this is a big deal. It will be a real comparison, once nehalem does start shipping, and from what those graphs say... nehalem seems pretty damn efficient, in that regard. So I m not sure how trying to create a realworld comparison as to what will exist in the marketplace is Fanboyism.. I like seeing those numbers to be honest, I know how intel performs against itself :P

[Donnie27]

I would have to disagree. I feel its a very relevant comparison. Especially if you have a thresh-hold of performance, your server needs to meet, as a company that is useful to know. And then it really does come down to price/perf, a 1p intel server vs a 2p amd server with 8 cores theoretically, a comparison between the two is very relevant. Of course google and the like just want max performance, but small business, that have 1 or 2 servers, with specific performance requirements, the dollars and cents of performance vs operating costs on the hair thin margins most web based business operates on, this is a big deal. It will be a real comparison, once nehalem does start shipping, and from what those graphs say... nehalem seems pretty damn efficient, in that regard. So I m not sure how trying to create a realworld comparison as to what will exist in the marketplace is Fanboyism.. I like seeing those numbers to be honest, I know how intel performs against itself :P

Sure one vs two, two vs two but use New Prices, not prices for used buggy Items. If Nehalem has bugs, most folks will avoid it as well. Do we factor tests with or without TLB since he has B2's?

Nothing's wrong with theory or simply for data purposes but that's not what's going on here.