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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin_The_Martian View Post
    True, it was the news article but that wasn't really the point. Not the origin but the subject of the mistake.

    I knew that dogs and pigs are not evil, where did I state otherwise? I only said they are considerd unclean to their religion. If Muslims were to be outraged it would not have been because it where a gross picture, but because an aspect of their religion is disregarded.

    You did it twice, through horrible analogies.

    Passing out a card with a photo of a dog to businesses throughout an entire community is not analogous to passing out upside-down crosses at a Christian church.

    Passing out a card with a photo of a dog to businesses is not analogous to tubs full of crap or replacing Jesus with Satan or whatever you were getting at there.

    Muslims don't keep dogs in their own homes due to a rule of their religion (NOT a belief that dogs are fundamentally evil!). Muslims do not give a crap if YOU have a dog or keep it in your own home. Muslims are not offended by pictures of dogs, nor by other people owning dogs. Just don't expect some of your Muslim friends to pet your dog

    The point you are completely whiffing on is that nobody has a right to not be offended. Being offended by things you don't like is just a part of life. Especially when you choose to emigrate to a country full of things you don't like, which is already home to millions of people doing things that offend your religion/person/way of life. See...when you move to Britain and it's full of dogs, you don't get to complain and whine and piss and moan about the culture allowing dogs because you are offended by them. On the flipside, Britons have no obligation to accommodate or observe the religious beliefs or practices of any religious group, Muslims included. Which is why the British courts have forced Muslim women to uncover their faces in a case or two that involved workplace attire.

    Having a religious belief or rule that pertains to yourself as a practitioner does not give a person or group license to foist those beliefs, limitations or rules on any other person or group. Especially not against those who do not hold your own belief system. i.e., I get to disregard the religious sensibilities of anyone from any religion. I do not care if something I do offends someone for religious reasons. Not my belief = not my problem. This is where the dog picture analogies you used went all wrong. Intentionally acting against people with the intention of offending them is wrong. Unintentionally offending them is not, and you can't expect an entire culture to modify its behavior to keep a small minority of citizens from being offended by something.

    A lot of the friction and frustration stems from the fact that most Muslim immigrants are coming from nations whose laws are governed (at least to some degree) by Shari'ah. The Westerners want the Muslims to conform to the way of life of the culture they have adopted, while the Muslim communities are trying to find the happy medium between integration and observing their religion as they see fit.
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