ATI HD4800 Review Thread

[Battle_Rattle]

I'm stoked... 4870 inbound to replace my 640mb 8800gts!

Kudos to Hardware Canucks too... I ordered a Hr-03 GT because they confirmed it fit.

Oh yeh and CeeVee... I'm sorry but no matter the conversation you're annoying. You have alot to say clearly, I invite you start your own thread where you can talk to yourself.

[ceevee]

I finally typed that in exasperation after being personally insulted for 2+ pages, because I dared to point out that your silicon jesus (4870) was not wearing the ultimate performance crown even though it was an excellent value.

[Clairvoyant129]

its funny how 3 different people have linked the IQ test to ceevee and he STILL refuses to acknowledge that the rv770 has significantly better Image QUALITY than the gt200 or any nvidia card for that matter (dont get confused ceevee its QUALITY not QUANTITY)

Nvidia fanboys only know one thing, "big numbers," thats why they went ahead and bought the GTX 280.

[Clairvoyant129]

I finally typed that in exasperation after being personally insulted for 2+ pages, because I dared to point out that your silicon jesus (4870) was not wearing the ultimate performance crown even though it was an excellent value.

And I mentioned that HD4870s never held the performance crown but was in fact a better buy because 2 HD4870s in CF is cheaper than a single GTX 280 and outperforms it.

So, am I the idiot or you? It seems like you're the moron here.

[Fr3ak]

Here is our review:
http://www.pcghx.com/aid,648976/Revi...chmark_Review/

I have been convinced by the performance and ordered a HD 4870 for my gaming rig =)

Maybe I will get another one for Crossfire.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

I finally typed that in exasperation after being personally insulted for 2+ pages, because I dared to point out that your silicon jesus (4870) was not wearing the ultimate performance crown even though it was an excellent value.

actually yeah it is wearing the performance crown because 10 EXTRA FRAMES doesnt MEAN ANYTHING if the image looks like CRAP. Your skull is rather thick to keep pushing this point against rock solid fact

[BMV]

Hi, my first post here, been here ever since the begining of RV770 rumours.
I didn't want register here because i'm not an extreme user of pc, but seeing the spamming of ceevee. And I just wanted to recommend him to read this whole thread from the begining...That may help him to understand that noone in here is interested in buying GTX 200 that much and everyone is just exited about the return of the AMD/ATI.

And about the card...I'll get one(and actualy a whole new computer...) right after it becomes available here in LTU.

Oh and don't forget that ATI's GPUs will support HAVOK physics.

p.s. hope my english isn't bad and something makes since to you in here.

Anyway this is the best forum about the hardwere in the internet for me.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

Hi, my first post here, been here ever since the begining of RV770 rumours.
I didn't want register here because i'm not an extreme user of pc, but seeing the spamming of ceevee. And I just wanted to recommend him to read this whole thread from the begining...That may help him to understand that noone in here is interested in buying GTX 200 that much and everyone is just exited about the return of the AMD/ATI.

And about the card...I'll get one(and actualy a whole new computer...) right after it becomes available here in LTU.

Oh and don't forget that ATI's GPUs will support HAVOK physics.

p.s. hope my english isn't bad and something makes since to you in here.

Anyway this is the best forum about the hardwere in the internet for me.

welcome glad to see that my incessant nagging at ceevee's ignorance is geting across to the people that i actually care about when i post the anti-fanboy facts

enjoy your time at XS BMV, your english is good

[Hornet331]

actually yeah it is wearing the performance crown because 10 EXTRA FRAMES doesnt MEAN ANYTHING if the image looks like CRAP. Your skull is rather thick to keep pushing this point against rock solid fact

care to explain that?

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

care to explain that?

did you look at the IQ compare? GT200 16X CSAA (8X MSAA) is directly comparable to RV 770 4X AA + Edge Detect or even 4xAA

and if you compare any gt200 to rv770 you will see significant lack of texture shading in the gt200 (im talking bricks on the nearest arch, bottom left corner, look at highlight and detail differences)

i have looked at these on a CRT and the top edges where sky meet flying buttresses there is significant ghosting of the textures on the gt200 that is not present at all in the 770 screens.


EDIT: link again if you missed it http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=11

[ceevee]

care to explain that?

I agree Hornet that a few people have made some very exagerrated irrational statements, like the one you reference. You seem to be the only other person in this thread even remotely willing to call them on it.

I have acknowledged from the beginning that 4870 is by far the best value, the best bang for the buck, and an excellent card. AMD deserves huge props!

If they could conistently beat GTX280SLI I would buy AMD/ATI 4870 happily.

But they cannot beat GTX280SLI. SO all I have said is:

1) HD4870 is best value, 80-85% of GTX280 for 1/2 price.

2) GTX280 is ultimate performance that AMD cannot currently beat with a card available now, SLI seems much more consistent too (Like Crossfire not working at all or even worse than a single card in some games).


What amazed me were the people that started attacking me personally for just stating these simple facts, yelling and screaming about how 4870 was ultimate performance etc etc

Watch someone will reply to this post with name calling or a hystrionic fit.

[adamsleath]

what an nv FANBOY!!! (haha; joking)



but this is 4870 thread.
i still think 4870X2 will be a bargain card, no need for cf board either and all the benefits of multigpu

QX6850@3.66Ghz
8800 ULTRA@660Mhz
2GB DDR3 1333 7-7-9-18
TEC cooling

NEW RIG IN PROGRESS:
QX9770
Foxconn Blackops MB
8GB Corsair XMB 1600Mhz DDR3
MSI 280GTX OC 650/2300
300GB Velociraptor
4X Liteon Blu-ray Burner
Vista 64

..and with these specs, PRICE obviously isnt your guiding star

[ceevee]

what an nv FANBOY!!! (haha; joking)



but this is 4870 thread.
i still think 4870X2 will be a bargain card, no need for cf board either and all the benefits of multigpu

Heh.

I will get on the bandwagon and will happily buy 2x 4870x2 for "Quadfire" if AMD fixes it so that it works in most games and also it is handily outperforming GTX280SLI.

[SNiiPE_DoGG]

I agree Hornet that a few people have made some very exagerrated irrational statements, like the one you reference. You seem to be the only other person in this thread even remotely willing to call them on it.

I have acknowledged from the beginning that 4870 is by far the best value, the best bang for the buck, and an excellent card. AMD deserves huge props!

If they could conistently beat GTX280SLI I would buy AMD/ATI 4870 happily.

But they cannot beat GTX280SLI. SO all I have said is:

1) HD4870 is best value, 80-85% of GTX280 for 1/2 price.

2) GTX280 is ultimate performance that AMD cannot currently beat with a card available now, SLI seems much more consistent too (Like Crossfire not working at all or even worse than a single card in some games).


What amazed me were the people that started attacking me personally for just stating these simple facts, yelling and screaming about how 4870 was ultimate performance etc etc

Watch someone will reply to this post with name calling or a hystrionic fit.

nope i didnt explain it at all.... oh wait i explained it pretty completely lolz. ive been pretty much begging you to see that gtx 280 IQ is in the dumps for a few pages and you cant even aknowledge that the card has more than just its price and die size at fault.

not to mention that running 3 of them at load is goin to cost you more than air conditioning your house in electricity...

[Clairvoyant129]

nope i didnt explain it at all.... oh wait i explained it pretty completely lolz. ive been pretty much begging you to see that gtx 280 IQ is in the dumps for a few pages and you cant even aknowledge that the card has more than just its price and die size at fault

Don't even bothering repeating what you said in the last 3-4 pages, trying to talk sense to a Nvidia fanboy is like talking to a brick wall.

[BMV]

welcome glad to see that my incessant nagging at ceevee's ignorance is geting across to the people that i actually care about when i post the anti-fanboy facts

enjoy your time at XS BMV, your english is good

thanks

Oh and picture quality, ATIs AA is much smoother compared to nVidias and the textures are also less blured

[ceevee]

Watch someone will reply to this post with name calling or a hystrionic fit.

Don't even bothering repeating what you said in the last 3-4 pages, trying to talk sense to a Nvidia fanboy is like talking to a brick wall.

[ceevee]

not to mention that running 3 of them at load is goin to cost you more than air conditioning your house in electricity...

Power consumption between GTX280 and HD4870 is actually quite close.

[Clairvoyant129]

Power consumption between GTX280 and HD4870 is actually quite close.

When 2x GTX 280s in SLI draws close to 100W more than 2x HD4870s under load, it's called "close."

[Solus Corvus]

I will get on the bandwagon and will happily buy 2x 4870x2 for "Quadfire" if AMD fixes it so that it works in most games and also it is handily outperforming GTX280SLI.

Finally. A simple answer to my simple question. Was that so hard?

As for your other points, nobody is claiming that the 4870 has the ultimate performance crown - unless they are delusional or something. What is being claimed is that it has 80-90% the performance of a GTX280 and obviously takes the performance/$ crown bigtime. That's it, it's as simple as that.

[adamsleath]

stop calling each other fanboys! honestly it's ridiculous

if you want the performance crown you go get gtx280 sli...

however i think i'll be able to afford a 4870X2 if it costs less than 2x4850's plus an x38 mobo

and i am concerned about whether 4 gpu's as in 2x4870X2 would play nice.

but i thought 3870X2+3870 worked ok

[Hornet331]

When 2x GTX 280s in SLI draws close to 100W more than 2x HD4870s under load, it's called "close."

that is something what i find quite missleading by many review, wehn you check different review the difference between the 280gtx and the 4870 range from 20W to 50W.

Quite contrary, isn't it?

did you look at the IQ compare? GT200 16X CSAA (8X MSAA) is directly comparable to RV 770 4X AA + Edge Detect or even 4xAA

and if you compare any gt200 to rv770 you will see significant lack of texture shading in the gt200 (im talking bricks on the nearest arch, bottom left corner, look at highlight and detail differences)

i have looked at these on a CRT and the top edges where sky meet flying buttresses there is significant ghosting of the textures on the gt200 that is not present at all in the 770 screens.


EDIT: link again if you missed it http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3341&p=11

when i look at that pics, i hardly see a difference in the AA, sure the texture look different, but since no AF was used the texture point is quite controversial.

Also textrue shading has nothing to do with image quality, its how the game works. Compare another games and you will see different results.

[serialkilla277]

damn! my 750w isn't going to be enough for my oc plus 4870 crossfire is it? looks like gtx280 .... nooooo!

[bedlamite]

Well because GPUs draw different ammounts of power under different Games. i remember that from Anandtechs triSLi review and remember that they've got highest values under Bioshock.

[Clairvoyant129]

that is something what i find quite missleading by many review, wehn you check different review the difference between the 280gtx and the 4870 range from 20W to 50W.

Quite contrary, isn't it?

Show me this "review" that shows 2x GTX 280s in SLI drawing only 20W more than 2x HD4870s under load.