ATI Radeon HD 4000 Series discussion

[Jowy Atreides]

Let's see how they behave themselves when they have the lead again. We'll have to see if they give us great prices out of the kindness of their hearts. I'm in for a 4870x2 on release day for sure. It looks like it's going to kick some serious tailbone. Maybe we'll start getting back to the old days of 6 month releases like clockwork and vicious competition between Nvidia and ATI (AMD). But I wonder what AMD would do about a 55nm GTX295 GX2. Now if AMD could just catch up to a company like Intel, who hasn't been sitting on their arses for the past year waiting for them to catch up we could be back to competitive markets for CPUs and GPUs.

mmmkay, i'm gonna go be sick

ATI, NVIDIA = Companies

they don't give a banana about you, they'd kill you for money if they could get away with it

[w0mbat]

[...]
and
pixel fill rate test 5.49 GP/s

more than 16 ROPS????

No, just 16 ROPs w/ 4Z/clk @ >100GB bandwidth.

[AliG]

Then i suggest you actually stop being a blatant flaming fanboy and go to the Video Cards section and read the 4850 review for yourself.

Who's that directed at? If that's directed at me, I'll give one chance to apologize, because you can ask anyone around here and they'll tell you I've been around this thread from the start and definitely have learned a lot more about the rv770 than any new comer calling others "flaming fanboy"s

No, just 16 ROPs w/ 4Z/clk @ >100GB bandwidth.

guess its true about the ROPs being far more efficient

[y2kbos]

Then i suggest you actually stop being a blatant flaming fanboy and go to the Video Cards section and read the 4850 review for yourself.

Point me too a direct comparison between HD4850 vs 9800gtx then

[Cooper]

mmmkay, i'm gonna go be sick

ATI, NVIDIA = Companies

they don't give a banana about you, they'd kill you for money if they could get away with it

lol dude - you watch too many movies

[Kai Robinson]

It was aimed at y2kbos.

And i'm not just some n00b that wandered in off the streets you know. I have been doing this far longer than i've been a member of XS for. You definitely have some complex though, if you take that attitude towards someone who's comments aren't aimed at you in the first place.

[DilTech]

CF 4850's look strong, that much is certain, but I fear micro-stuttering is still around and until I see a unanimous confirmation that it's fixed(not just a few forum members, as there are some who claimed it didn't happen with the 3870x2 as well) I still can't claim it a viable solution either.

Fact is, I have a buyer for my 8800GTX next month who needs a new card as he's still rocking out my old 6800GT(which still works as it did on launch), and am keeping a very close eye on how things develop with ATi as well as with NVidia. I'd point him in the direction of something else and just keep the card, but if I can spend a little more and get something much better, why not, as he insists on buying my card specifically.

So I'm watching this thread very closely at this point.

[Genius_pt]

60% of improvement means that hd4870 should be almost as powerful as hd4850 cf . Hmm, thats too good to believe...

[Sly Fox]

60% of improvement means that hd4870 should be almost as powerful as hd4850 cf . Hmm, thats too good to believe...

It would kill any demand for a 4850X2 as well. I'm sure ATI would prefer for that not to happen.

Unless the X2's this generation scale obscenely well all the time at least, that's a nice pipedream

[Stuen4y]

I hope tomorrow comes the single 4850 tests and all the mystery around this card goes away .

It would kill any demand for a 4850X2 as well. I'm sure ATI would prefer for that not to happen.

Unless the X2's this generation scale obscenely well all the time at least, that's a nice pipedream

Have the confirmed 4850x2? I don't think so. They need x2 card only for the high end and for prestige .

[Jowy Atreides]

lol dude - you watch too many movies

lol, I wish

I am in a very well connected business network,
nearly all my friends are habitual but the few non-HE guys admit they'd do anything for their businesses

[ORBR]

It would kill any demand for a 4850X2 as well. I'm sure ATI would prefer for that not to happen.

Unless the X2's this generation scale obscenely well all the time at least, that's a nice pipedream

or maybe there's no 4850X2 at all...


other scores... the 280 seems heavly powned..

GTX280
SM2=5439
SM3=4653

4850 CF
SM2=5770
SM3=6109

[Kai Robinson]

With the results i'm seeing, i'm about ready to jump ship and get a pair of 4850's....should see me through until all the nehalem rush has passed!

[Sly Fox]

or maybe there's no 4850X2 at all...

Possibly. I'd imagine some partner would make one though. Even if ATI doesn't lay out a design for one themselves. I mean, Asus made that crazy 3850X3 Trinity Super Ultra Insanity FTW Edition card

You know the one I'm talking about, with 3 3850 GPU's on one big board that you have to watercool.

Granted, I doubt it will ever actually be sold to the public, but the idea of a 4850X2 is a little less weird. So who knows eh?

[y2kbos]

If that's directed at me, I'll give one chance to apologize, because you can ask anyone around here and they'll tell you I've been around this thread from the start and definitely have learned a lot more about the rv770 than any new comer calling others "flaming fanboy"s

It was aimed at y2kbos.

And i'm not just some n00b that wandered in off the streets you know. I have been doing this far longer than i've been a member of XS for. You definitely have some complex though, if you take that attitude towards someone who's comments aren't aimed at you in the first place.

One chance or what?

lmao @ AliG

[eleeter]

I mean, Asus made that crazy 3850X3 Trinity Super Ultra Insanity FTW Edition card

Best name ever.




Ancient proverb say, don't open whoopass can if other guy has bigger can.

[Dan_c]

and 9600 Matrix
way better than longbow chik!

anyways, red team needs the X2, at least for pub sake, and I think they know that....

[DilTech]

One chance or what?

lmao @ AliG

I'm giving you ALL one chance to drop the argument... I've let this go on long enough. Next response to your off-topic discussion gets reminded that we do infact have moderators at this site...

Get back on topic, stop the "ATi are t3h fail" nature of your posts in this thread. Consider this a public warning, not just to yourself, but to EVERYONE who might get the same idea in their head that this is ok to do.

[y2kbos]

Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you by experience

I will keep my views for another thread boss

[gojirasan]

Best name ever.

+1

CF 4850's look strong, that much is certain, but I fear micro-stuttering is still around and until I see a unanimous confirmation that it's fixed(not just a few forum members, as there are some who claimed it didn't happen with the 3870x2 as well) I still can't claim it a viable solution either.

Where can I find out more detailed info about this "micro-stuttering" that I keep hearing about? Any videos that show it?

[Beefy22]

CF 4850's look strong, that much is certain, but I fear micro-stuttering is still around and until I see a unanimous confirmation that it's fixed(not just a few forum members, as there are some who claimed it didn't happen with the 3870x2 as well) I still can't claim it a viable solution either.

Fact is, I have a buyer for my 8800GTX next month who needs a new card as he's still rocking out my old 6800GT(which still works as it did on launch), and am keeping a very close eye on how things develop with ATi as well as with NVidia. I'd point him in the direction of something else and just keep the card, but if I can spend a little more and get something much better, why not, as he insists on buying my card specifically.

So I'm watching this thread very closely at this point.

I personally can't comment on the validity of such claims(BTW not calling you out), since I have never owned a multi GPU setup... But is microstuttering as prevalent and noticeable as people have made it out to be? Another question, with only 512MB of GDDR3 would 4850s CF'd choke when subjected to 19x12 res, AA, AF and a texture heavy game? I'm not trying to flame anyone, I'm just curious as I have never owned a SLI/CF multi gpu rig but am quite tempted ATM considering the 4850s price point...

[mascaras]

+60% sulla 4850

512MB GDDR5 version ?!?!

http://www.tweaktown.com/popImg.php?..._4850erly2.jpg




regards

[Hornet331]

+60% sulla 4850


HD4850 vs HD4870 :

Xtreme preset :

HD4850 vs 4870

GT1 : 8.62 - 12.57
GT2 : 7.13 - 12.72

FT1 : 651.67 - 779.86
FT2 : 3.41 - 5.49
FT3 : 18.11 - 20.58
FT4 : 14.23 - 17.02
FT5 : 27.59 - 33.58
FT6 : 48.92 - 53.73

GPU Score : 2692 - 4316

http://www.tweaktown.com/popImg.php?..._4850erly1.jpg
http://www.tweaktown.com/popImg.php?..._4850erly2.jpg
ATI on steroids!


and
pixel fill rate test 5.49 GP/s

more than 16 ROPS????

so it confirms 32tmus, but only 512mb frame buffer....

1gb version need asap.

[STaRGaZeR]

CF 4850's look strong, that much is certain, but I fear micro-stuttering is still around and until I see a unanimous confirmation that it's fixed(not just a few forum members, as there are some who claimed it didn't happen with the 3870x2 as well) I still can't claim it a viable solution either.

You'll always get micro-stuttering in CF, because it will still use AFR and you have two complete and independent cards. The only thing that could be new is the 4870X2. Will test both CF and R700 when I can, but I can bet MC will be present at least in the CF solution. R700 remains to be seen

4850CF is no different from 3870CF, so if you're looking for the power of two without the problems of two wait and see what R700 can do (or can't do, who knows).

BTW impressive results of the 70 if true, but I'm with Hornet, 1GB cards NOW!

[LowRun]

Can someone give info what are the prices in the already listed cards in Europe?


250 Euro for 4870? 175 Euro is much higher price than the first predicted ~230$, but to be honest the card worths every cent .

This looks more promising and the "prediction" of ~230$ is right.

Starting as low as 155€ here and in stock, given the pricing track record of that shop i'm expecting you'd be able to find some in the 140€ range in a few days.

http://www.grosbill.com/index.php3?id=76848&site=clubic