ATI Radeon HD 4000 Series discussion

[Papu]

No. Unless ATI supports the PhysX API (which they can do, but would also need to support CUDA, which they will never do), it is their problem. PhysX is already the standardized physics processing API designed from the ground up to be done in hardware.

It is already used in multiple versions of 3DMark, and all games that use the Unreal Engine 3, plus many more game engines that I don't know off the top of my head.

Combine that with the fact that all GeForce 8 and up video cards will gain support for PhysX, it really is ATI's problem, and a pretty big one at that. Nvidia made a very, very smart move in buying Ageia. Even if the 4870 X2 is faster than the GTX 280, wait for games that heavily rely on PhysX to start coming out, and watch the tables turn.

It is for this reason that I got a used PhysX card cheaply on e-bay.

what great games support/make proper use of Physx? that crappy demo physix put out to show how great it was , i was able to run it fine on my 2900xt.... havok is used in many great titles including the half life 2 series ,oblivion ect ect. Its much more likely that havok an already established api is more important than crappy Physx..

[Xello]

Havock as far more Games then PhysX.
PhysX was a failure since the begining. They have UT3 and some others, but Havock have far way much more games.

what great games support/make proper use of Physx? that crappy demo physix put out to show how great it was , i was able to run it fine on my 2900xt.... havok is used in many great titles including the half life 2 series ,oblivion ect ect. Its much more likely that havok an already established api is more important than crappy Physx..

While I won't take the flame bate you so blatantly cast (you could read what you wrote, swapping 'physx' for 'havok' and it would be equally irrelevant) I would say that NV's swaying power with developers is not to be sniffed at, as they've proved on multiple occasions.

Whether they're fair in all their dealings is another discussion

Arguing which API is currently 'the best' is pretty pointless:

http://www.havok.com/content/blogcategory/29/73/

http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_physxgames_home.html

Both have an impressive library so far, though i think it's the games to come (not the games already out) which will be more important here.

Also worth noting may be that Physx has somewhat of a head start in this area, as so far Havok is only supported on the CPU whereas Physx has had its own PPU, and soon to be GPU acceleration.

[Papu]

While I won't take the flame bate you so blatantly cast (you could read what you wrote, swapping 'physx' for 'havok' and it would be equally irrelevant) I would say that NV's swaying power with developers is not to be sniffed at, as they've proved on multiple occasions.

Whether they're fair in all their dealings is another discussion

Arguing which API is currently 'the best' is pretty pointless:

http://www.havok.com/content/blogcategory/29/73/

http://physx.cwx.ru/

Both have an impressive library so far.

flame bate? lol...
it also seems that once you switch on Physx on the nv gpu that it cuts framrates , so they will be advising 2 or 3 gpu solutions so it wont really be put to much use by normal pc users/gamers

[FischOderAal]

it also seems that once you switch on Physx on the nv gpu that it cuts framrates , so they will be advising 2 or 3 gpu solutions so it wont really be put to much use by normal pc users/gamers

the way it has always been advertised by NVIDIA and ATI/AMD.

Remember the slides? CF with two graphic cards plus one additionally card for physics only. This goes back years.

[Hornet331]

what great games support/make proper use of Physx? that crappy demo physix put out to show how great it was , i was able to run it fine on my 2900xt.... havok is used in many great titles including the half life 2 series ,oblivion ect ect. Its much more likely that havok an already established api is more important than crappy Physx..

but you have to differentiate, many games use havoc, but most of this havoc physic engiens are heavly modified (e.g. HL2) and only have smal parts that are common (like ragdolls).

[mascaras]

The ATI Radeon HD 4870 Is Prepped For Launch!


While we were at Computex 2008, we were told by at least 3 ATI partners that the Radeon HD 4870 was not ready for launch anytime soon, and that if anyone was showing one off, it would have to be a mechanical mockup. We were also told that ATI had decided to delay the launch of their Radeon HD 4850 graphics card from June 18 to June 25, 2008.

At first, we figured that ATI pushed back the Radeon HD 4850's launch date to avoid the launch of the NVIDIA GTX 280 and GTX 260 graphics cards which was scheduled, coincidentally or intentionally, for the day before the ATI launch. Perhaps that was originally the reason but we now understand that the delay has also allowed them to launch the Radeon HD 4870 together with the Radeon HD 4850.

Earlier leaked reports had certainly suggested that both the Radeon HD 4870 and the Radeon HD 4850 would be launched together, but as recent as Computex 2008, ATI partners were telling us that the Radeon HD 4870 was "just not ready" to be launched. One ATI partner even told us to expect it around the middle of July.

However, it looks that they finally managed to fix whatever issues they had with the Radeon HD 4870 because one of the same ATI partners we talked to earlier has just informed us that their Radeon HD 4870 card has been finalized and will start shipping next week, just in time for the June 25 launch. So, come June 25, ATI will not only officially launch the Radeon HD 4850 but also the Radeon HD 4870.

We are not sure if the launch will include the other ATI Radeon HD cards rumoured to be launched at the same time, like the dual-GPU Radeon HD 4870 X2, the Radeon HD 4600 series (4670 and 4650), and the Radeon HD 4400 series (4470 and 4450), but we know for sure that the Radeon HD 4870 is fully prepped for its official launch this June 25!

When it is officially launched on June 25, the ATI Radeon HD 4870 will be the first graphics card in the world to use GDDR5 memory. Whether that technological superiority will yield any real performance or marketing advantage to ATI, however, remains to be seen...

http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=554

regards

[ChaosMinionX]

any AMD companies with a step up program?