ATI Radeon HD 4000 Series discussion

[Xello]

Havock as far more Games then PhysX.
PhysX was a failure since the begining. They have UT3 and some others, but Havock have far way much more games.

what great games support/make proper use of Physx? that crappy demo physix put out to show how great it was , i was able to run it fine on my 2900xt.... havok is used in many great titles including the half life 2 series ,oblivion ect ect. Its much more likely that havok an already established api is more important than crappy Physx..

While I won't take the flame bate you so blatantly cast (you could read what you wrote, swapping 'physx' for 'havok' and it would be equally irrelevant) I would say that NV's swaying power with developers is not to be sniffed at, as they've proved on multiple occasions.

Whether they're fair in all their dealings is another discussion

Arguing which API is currently 'the best' is pretty pointless:

http://www.havok.com/content/blogcategory/29/73/

http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_physxgames_home.html

Both have an impressive library so far, though i think it's the games to come (not the games already out) which will be more important here.

Also worth noting may be that Physx has somewhat of a head start in this area, as so far Havok is only supported on the CPU whereas Physx has had its own PPU, and soon to be GPU acceleration.