Innovation Cooling's Diamond 7 TIM test results

[123bob]

Right now, no one offers contact/pressure testing. As SiG suggested, I would not offer it in the base price of your Paste, but as an option for those serious about doing it. The possible PITA comes, for you, in what to do with analyzing it. Would you offer to send it in for 3-d testing or perhaps acquire the capability at your company?

Perhaps this is a separate product, and service, Innovation wants to provide?

I found it very useful. (And yes, I owe you a lot of data, which will be posted here, as soon as the "alligators" get off my butt. Damn the day job...)

For a "onesy-twosy" type machine usage, I would pay for this. For a Farm, I'm not so sure I need to do all the machines in order to get a baseline to compare to.


The other factor to consider is the nature of the general populous that would use this service. Would they take your data as fact, or still carry a sense of "black magic" in their behavior? Are they even mechanially able to perform the test with anything that looks like valid results? The folks here are largely science based. When you put facts in front of them, they will go with it. (They will also call BS, when they see it. This is the reason you came to us.) The larger segment, as you know, still consider this a black magic affair....

I think you have a solid product. What you add to that is up to you. I do think the service of contact/pressure is valid and worth something, but you should not just "give it away" to anyone that says your paste is not good.....

Regards,
Bob

EDIT: BTW,Farm-07 is still cranking away at a 19% increase in the OC, after at least a week or two.... I believe....

[tastymannatees]

I think the problem with this Idea is with the price point. If costs were lower I would just give away the film and charge a little more for the paste. I could probably neg. a lower price for volume but not enough to make make it worthwhile. The digital mapping for a single user costs more than what you guys pay for a single sink and only works for me on the volume test prices.

From a sales point it would not really be a factor for boosting sales. I think the contact part is nifty diagnostic tool and which is why I was playing around with carbon paper. Something like this would save me time on the troubleshooting front for some of those that do not see a result. Still looking for a DIY poor mans test.

[littleowl]

I do agree if you offer the pressure testing I wouldn't do it with the past but on its own. Ok I will stop reading and get my testing done!

[littleowl]

Ok let me get started here. sorry This one is going to be a bit of a book!

Here is where I started with my E6600. As you can see my temps were about 29c at a room temp of 22c.

Today before i started I checked room temp and it was 15c and I had AS5 on the chip. We are 1 day short of 2 weeks. The cores were
core 0: 22
Core 1: 21

now I am doing pressure film on this chip.
I will post the film scans here in a little bit but here are a couple things I have done.



List of 3 tests done on the E6600 chip.
1st test
Room temp: 16.7c
This test was done with 6002 on water loop with My hold down design

2nd test
Room temp: 17c
This test done with fuzion no water connected with My hold down design.

3rd test
Room temp: 18c
This test is being done after I did a slit lap of the cpu edges
fuzion no water connection with My hold down design.


now I also did 2 pressure tests on a friends lapped Q6600.
I will post them also but I have no temps. they were very interesting to me! See what you think of them? the first one of his was with my 6002 and the 2nd one is with the fuzion and my hold down.

[64dragon]

Today before i started I checked room temp and it was 15c and I had AS5 on the chip. We are 1 day short of 2 weeks. The cores were
core 0: 22
Core 1: 21

15C room temp??? do stay in there with a jacket on. are they idle temps or load?

[littleowl]

15C room temp??? do stay in there with a jacket on. are they idle temps or load?

all are full load temps. sorry
yeah I had to come back in and get some long sleeves. that is what I like about the barn.

Ok so I didn't get the images posted so I will do it in another post.

here we go
first off we have my E6600 with 6002 on water
second we have it with fuzion using my back plate from the 6002 and bolt down.
third we have the fuzion again but this time the cpu is lightly lapped. I am going to lap some more after this post.

forth and fifth
now I also did 2 pressure tests on a friends lapped Q6600.
I will post them also but I have no temps. they were very interesting to me! See what you think of them? the first one of his was with my 6002 and the 2nd one is with the fuzion and my hold down.

[D_A]

I fist one of his

Dude!

[cre8chaos]

I also did 2 pressure tests on a friends lapped Q6600. I will post them also but I have no temps. they were very interesting to me! See what you think of them? I fist one of his was with my 6002 and the 2nd one is with the fuzion and my hold down.

HaHa busted, You called me a friend on the interweb. Now I have proof
So is that good contact you got with the Q?

[tastymannatees]

littleowl- #3rd one definitely has a better contact.

Really need before and after temps to see if it all makes a difference

[littleowl]

littleowl- #3rd one definitely has a better contact.

Really need before and after temps to see if it all makes a difference

Yeah I did some more work on it and will be upload the next pressure test here soon.

I have D7 on now so I figured here in a week or 2 I will check the temps and post them that should give some decent data of before and after.

my temps today before I started were 22 and 21c with room at 15c and AS5, but almost 2 weeks ago with D7 they were 29 and 29 with room temp at 22c

ok here is the pic but it is not coming on the scanner as well as it looks.

[Grafton]

First to be tested wife's pc
Specs:
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-G31M-S2L
CPU: Poorly lapped E6400, Stock cooler
GPU: ATI x1950xt stock cooler
Settings:
FSB 266Mhz
Multi: 8
Core speed: 2.133Ghz
DRAM Clock : 400Mz
PCI-E Clock 100Mhz
Vcore bios 1.325v
DDR2:1.8v
CPU Vtt
HWmonitor reading
Vcore Idle: 1.28v
Vcore load : 1.26v

Temps
Idle before (stock Intel hs & paste, ceramic on GPU GPU fan @50%)
Core0: 44C
Core1: 46C
GPU: 45C
Load before (orthos small fft’s –CPU ATItool-gpu ran @ separate time for max heat)
After 5 min
Core0: 58C
Core1: 58C
GPU: 82C
After 30 min
Core0: 58C
Core1: 58C
GPU: 84C
idle after ICDiamond
CPU0: 46C
CPU1: 47C
CPU: 49C
Load after IC After 5 min
Core0: 59C
Core1: 59C
GPU: 82C
After 30 min
Core0: 58C
Core1: 58C
GPU: 86C

[tastymannatees]

Grafton-missing ambient temps

[Martijn]

I got the other sample today. I have got my last final (maths) scheduled for tomorrow afternoon, after that I'l have plenty of time to finish testing. Thanks!

[[XC] NetburstXE]

Good luck on your final!

[littleowl]

I also got mine today. I am trying so hard to resist looking and testing on the E6600 but I have to wait untill thursday!

Thank you Very Very much Tasty for all the learning and skills you have aloud us to learn with this testing!

[tastymannatees]

Thermal result post #61 Hardwarelogic -5 C improvement

[tastymannatees]

Note: to edit/add thermal data later

[tastymannatees]

Thermal Results post# 442 xtremesystems - 2.350 C improvement

[tastymannatees]

thermal result post ##525 xtremesystems -2.7C improvement

[tastymannatees]

Thermal results post #35 On hardwareLogic - No change in temp

[tastymannatees]

7600gt-Nvidia ref sink

-7C

[tastymannatees]

thermal data posts 167

Shin Etsu - before Temps

Idle:
Ambient 25.9C
CoreTemp 49,49,45,46

Load:
Ambient 25.9C
BOINC, Months of straight running...
Coretemp 66,65,61,63


D7 - After Temps

Idle:
Ambient 26.1C
CoreTemp 45,45,40,43

Load:
Ambient 24.6C
BOINC, 16 hours running
Coretemp 61,60,58,60

-2.7c

Note ShinEtsu was approx 6 months old


and #492 shows grease pattern and raw film result

[tastymannatees]

thermal data # 202

Test # 1 baseline AS5 temp rise over amb. 15.8C
Test #2 ICD +3.75C
Test#3 ICD +3.850
Test #4 AS5 -1.25,1.35 vs, tests 3 & 2
Test #5 ShinEtsu + .2 and + .3 vs, #3 & 2


#417

Raw film impressions of the test

[tastymannatees]

duplicate pressure test on #202 and #417

[tastymannatees]

Progressive lapping before and after .7C improvement

Before Lap - D7 paste.
Ambient 20.3
CT idle 24,26,24,24
CT load 40,44,38,40

After Lap - D7 paste.
Ambient 17.5
CT idle 21,22,19,19
CT load 37,40,35,36




the data in post #480