Phenom 9500 w/ MSI K9A2 Platinum

[jonspd]

not yet. temp and stability at a normal setting yes but to help this thing overclock more it doesn't look like it not 100% sure yet as been trying to set-up 2 x vmware for stability testing.


5c less and .025 more volts at load

[Daveburt714]

Just wanted to say Thanks Jonspd...

You got me playing with the HT Ref clock a little more, and I managed to achieve this, overnight SMP Folding and still running now!



This actually puts my memory at a slight OC (rather than underclocked) and the NB/HTT at 2Ghz... I haven't done any benchies yet, just testing for stability right now, but so far it's looking pretty good.

It seems like the cores just don't want to go much over 2.5 regardless of how many V's I put to it, Heat has never been a real problem even @ 1.4v on the cores they never went over 40c at load. I may drop the CPU to 9.5 and try for a little higher on the HT Ref though...

A little off topic, but has anyone found a way to improve SATA HD performance, it seems pretty weak but it may just be a limitation of the SB600.

[jonspd]

nice thats better then where I'm sitting running 2 x vmware / ubuntu / smp


I noticed the 2.5ghz thing also which is why I'm at 2.45 ATM.

the regular winsmp you can manage to get it to about 2.6 stable but as soon as I start using vmware 2.5+ isn't much of a option. I have played with this thing alot and I have to try and gain some ground on my folding team as rank 130 just isn't gonna cut it.


prime/memtest/vmware/toast/32mb super/3dmark looping is all something I want this thing to pass. I don't want to have to downclock just to be able to run a app and as it seems there is a few that I have to do this with.


and I think your right for some reason I had better luck with 10.5x, 10x, 9.5x over 11x but I think as you stated 9.5 may be where it's at. I really wish I could figure this thing out. I mean it will post and go to the windows loading screen at 2.8ghz 14x200 but freezed at loading screen, and this is with about 1.425 vcore. If I up that to 1.5 is still does the same thing even at 13 x instead of 14.

[Daveburt714]

Just out of curiosity, have you tried lowering the V's across the board?

I've had mine since the end of December and it's been my experience that higher voltages seem to cause more instability... IDK if it's current leakage or crosstalk or what but that's what I've been seeing with my chip..

As an example, when I was first playing with the HT clock I set the CPU VDDC to 1.3, took it up to 242ht (unstable), bumped vddc to 1.35 and it would freeze at Windows boot screen. So, I lowered vddc to 1.26 and dropped all other v's (expect Mem vddq) 1 bump down in bios, and managed to inch everything up to where it is now.... Which seems stable!

I've been around long enough to know that no 2 chips act the same, but it might be worth a shot for ya...

[KTE]

You got me playing with the HT Ref clock a little more, and I managed to achieve this, overnight SMP Folding and still running now!

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Hmm.. so up until now you've not really tried to test HT ref?

This should be the first thing you do with the chip actually and by keping NB down.

A little off topic, but has anyone found a way to improve SATA HD performance, it seems pretty weak but it may just be a limitation of the SB600.

Which ports are you using for your drives?

In IDE mode SATA II perf. on the MSI board is ~16MB/s better in Av.R than on a P35/ICH9R board. I've tested both recently. For AHCI, install the drivers properly with the set procedure and you can find out. Achim outlined it a few posts back if you didn't install the SATA drivers at Windows install.

I really wish I could figure this thing out. I mean it will post and go to the windows loading screen at 2.8ghz 14x200 but freezed at loading screen, and this is with about 1.425 vcore. If I up that to 1.5 is still does the same thing even at 13 x instead of 14.

Yep.
On my last BE, 13x, 14x and 15x (200HT) posted and loaded windows but then failed when the OS desktop is supposed to be showing up (just stayed black).

[jonspd]

At dave I have not tried that yet but I did notice the same thing maybe I should try lower then 1.392 as that is the lowest I have tried so far

I just didn't want the vcore to be a limiting factor but by all means as you stated and as we have all seen it is possible to run a high clock with lower vcore on some cpus / computer part.... (tccd ring a bell)


at kte

Same thing. If the chip will post at 2.8 or 2.9 or 3.0 but then crashes while tring to load the desktop then IMO there is some form of error happening here (TLB). It doesn't matter what voltage you add to it or how much you take away it pretty much does the same thing and freezes on desktop or at login screen.


In my pass experience I have always test max cpu by what it would load windows at. ie max SS but for some reason we seem to have a problem via/ driver/mobo/bios/setting/etc.


I'm thinking it could have a great part to do with the ram but for some reason I get better clocks at auto. Since the cpu/ram latency is so tight then maybe we are trying to high(tight) memory settings. I'm at around 245 fsb with ram at 815 or something like that as I notice errors (crashes) with ram above 1000....


LOL as I stated a couple pages back I can not change ram voltage according to HWM 2.0, 2.05, 2.1, 2.2,all = 2.21 via HWM above 2.2 will register correctly///

[Daveburt714]

Hmm.. so up until now you've not really tried to test HT ref?

This should be the first thing you do with the chip actually and by keping NB down.

Actually I did... But 230 seemed to be the wall, and I was blaming it on the NB/HTT multi's, never lowered the CPU below 11x... DOAH!!

Which ports are you using for your drives?

In IDE mode SATA II perf. on the MSI board is ~16MB/s better in Av.R than on a P35/ICH9R board. I've tested both recently. For AHCI, install the drivers properly with the set procedure and you can find out. Achim outlined it a few posts back if you didn't install the SATA drivers at Windows install.

I'm using ports 1(HD)+2(DVD) on the SB600, I tried it on the Promise T3 and it was even worse. I must have missed that post by Achim, I'll go back and look for it... My drive has NCQ so it would be nice to be able to use AHCI.

[jonspd]

Err I'm getting tired of clearing cmos

I cant get back to my 272 fsb as I was gonna try higher with a lower muilt but for some reason 9 want take at that fsb 9.5 will however but that puts my cpu out of range.


O well off to game for a while and see what we get tomorrow lol


BTW dave the lower vcore didn't work out well with prime 95


1,41 wouldn't even run 2.48 prime...

[Brother Esau]

@KTE......No I had asked you but you said you did not have the board anymore so what you had said is I do not know//////,,,,,,,,,,,Do you know what they are Tye?

[Daveburt714]

Err I'm getting tired of clearing cmos

Dude... I haven't cleared CMOS in over a week! Ya Phenom Noob...

I cant get back to my 272 fsb as I was gonna try higher with a lower muilt but for some reason 9 want take at that fsb 9.5 will however but that puts my cpu out of range.

O well off to game for a while and see what we get tomorrow lol

BTW dave the lower vcore didn't work out well with prime 95

1,41 wouldn't even run 2.48 prime...

C'mon man, you were running that at 10x270 weren't ya?
I'm buzzed, just messing with ya man... This is probably the best Phenom thread on the net... I appreciate all you folks input!

[jonspd]

LOL well I figured out my problem and the lower NB/HT voltage does help alittle

It was running 1t as thats what auto was setting it to. I'm testing max cpu/fsb not just one but both as I'm ready to let this thing start folding 21/7.

Yea If it wasn't for KTE and the gang that helped this thread get as long as it has I probably wouldn't have even bought a amd hehe.

and it was 9.5x272 off to bed ...... maybe

[Daveburt714]

LOL well, I'm ready to let this thing start folding 21/7.

21/7.... Hehe, thats about what mine folds...

[KTE]

I'm using ports 1(HD)+2(DVD) on the SB600, I tried it on the Promise T3 and it was even worse. I must have missed that post by Achim, I'll go back and look for it... My drive has NCQ so it would be nice to be able to use AHCI.

I can't recall where I saw the better instructions.

BTW dave the lower vcore didn't work out well with prime 95

1,41 wouldn't even run 2.48 prime...

At 2.6G 1.41V P95 was unstable? What made it stable?

@KTE......No I had asked you but you said you did not have the board anymore so what you had said is I do not know//////,,,,,,,,,,,Do you know what they are Tye?

Doubt it, can only guess. You'll need to ask DFI, did they not explain it to you?

Yea If it wasn't for KTE and the gang that helped this thread get as long as it has I probably wouldn't have even bought a amd hehe.

You're welcome

But it wasn't me who amde you buy this chip, was it?

[jonspd]

LoL Yea it was you. That way I have someone to blame if the POS never does what I want it to

Well actually It was nothing atm. Its weird if you run to high of vcore at high clocks core 3 fails if you run to low of vcore core 1 or 4 fails...

I have managed to get back where I wanted it at around 2.56 stable but above that is fishy.

If I use 5 5 5 15 19 2t timings I get worse results then with 4 4 4 13 24 2t. Not sure whats going on here fixing to play with it alitte as for last night I had to drop the vcore down below 1.4 to get above 2.6 to run over 5 mins in prime 95. Also droped the ht and NB voltage helped. There has to be some sort of setting that makes the cpu get to it's max....




This is a quote for someone here but so true.

Amd has always been like a top fuel dragster with a holley carb, tune it just right and it smokes anything, problem is the slightest change in weather, humidity,temps and it gets pissy

[Brains1]

Ok got my hands on some HyperX ramies

I got myself 2 1 gig sticks. KHX8500D2K2/2GR they are rated 1066mhz 5-5-5-5-15 2.2V

Same problem no boot with 2 sticks in the machine. I've tried turning the timings up with the ram. Put voltage at 2.2 no post with two sticks. Post fine with 1 stick. Didnt try 1066 yet, with this stick

The timngs on the stick by spd auto puts this stick noticable slower then the cosair dominators.

So think I should just buy some lower 6400 ram. The only ram MSI sent me compabitable with this board was Value ram from kingston. I was hoping to get a high preformance ram with this high performance board.

I just want a post, then of course working system. I'm going to play with this system alittle more and then send back these HyperX. Could it be that this board doesnt like 8500 ram? The SPD on CPUID gives it a go at 400mhz 5-5-5-5-15. So it should work for two stick in this board.

I'm thinking it's the board. Or the CPU

I havent bumped up the HT or CPU to get the ram working would that do anything? If so what.

Thanks
Brain

[jonspd]

2 problems..........


1. If I run a 1:2 ratio on my ram I can run a 9 or 9.5 x multi and get to around or above 270 fsb and around a 2.6ghz clocks speed.

2. If i run 1:1.66 (I think the lower on not higher) I can't run a 9x at all hardly without bios hang, and I can get about 261x9.5 (262 want load and anything higher forget it) and it will error out in prime in less then a min. SO with this ram divider the max cpu clock I can get is about 2.45ghz.


All other setting stay the same. I don't get this if the ram is at ddr2 1000+ it runs fine if I try to drop the muilt to get it to around the ram specs the cpu has issues can anyone verify this?






I don't want to shot 2.3vddim into my ram to max out the board/cpu but this looks like my only option atm ( i do have another set )

[KTE]

Ok got my hands on some HyperX ramies

I got myself 2 1 gig sticks. KHX8500D2K2/2GR they are rated 1066mhz 5-5-5-5-15 2.2V

What tRC are they rated for? Make sure you get that right at bootup and set tRFC to 105ns. My MB was setting tRC to 15 and I had no boot for a while.

The timngs on the stick by spd auto puts this stick noticable slower then the cosair dominators.

So think I should just buy some lower 6400 ram. The only ram MSI sent me compabitable with this board was Value ram from kingston. I was hoping to get a high preformance ram with this high performance board.

I just want a post, then of course working system. I'm going to play with this system alittle more and then send back these HyperX. Could it be that this board doesnt like 8500 ram? The SPD on CPUID gives it a go at 400mhz 5-5-5-5-15. So it should work for two stick in this board.

I'm thinking it's the board. Or the CPU

I havent bumped up the HT or CPU to get the ram working would that do anything? If so what.

Brain, that's dreadful. Which BIOS are you using?

Have you tried different RAM slots with one and two DIMMs installed? Is there any one slot that won't work?

Have you tried Ganged and Unganged mode with two sticks?
Which slots are you insering two sticks in?
Have you tried insering them in the same color slots?

Boot with one DIMM installed and then post back your CPUZ SPD tab info (screenshot).
Also, at the same time check the voltage it sets for CPU, RAm in AOD and check the VIDs it sets for CPU and NB (AMD Power Monitor). Post back an image of what you find.

2 problems..........
1. If I run a 1:2 ratio on my ram I can run a 9 or 9.5 x multi and get to around or above 270 fsb and around a 2.6ghz clocks speed.

2. If i run 1:1.66 (I think the lower on not higher) I can't run a 9x at all hardly without bios hang, and I can get about 261x9.5 (262 want load and anything higher forget it) and it will error out in prime in less then a min. SO with this ram divider the max cpu clock I can get is about 2.45ghz.

What are your RAM subtimings for both situations, check in AOD or Memset and post them back for the 1:2 and 1:1.66 dividers.

All other setting stay the same. I don't get this if the ram is at ddr2 1000+ it runs fine if I try to drop the muilt to get it to around the ram specs the cpu has issues can anyone verify this?

Mine ran fine, but, when you say "ran fine" what do you mean exactly, did you stability test?

[jonspd]

The ram only thing I change was the 4 setting on each to 195ns and put it to 2t.

Yes prime95 is what I'm referring to.

If I run a 1:1.66 at the same timings I cant get over a 2.46ish clock on the cpu. If I run a 1:2 on the ram (same timings) I can get 270ish and above. Y would the chip be limited with a lower ram divider? or the board.


AOD no thanks haven't used it but maybe 3-5 times all of which cause the system 2 freeze and I'm not looking for that memset dunno about it

[Manicdan]

hey im having problems with mine, i load up everest cpuid and it locks the program up. i cant view temperatures, do i just need to reinstall the mobo drivers?

[jonspd]

Which program?

everest or cpuid?

you can use coretemp or Hardwaremonitor to check the temps of all the cores.

Where did you get the mobo driver the cd that came with it?

[Hosser]

A little off topic, but has anyone found a way to improve SATA HD performance, it seems pretty weak but it may just be a limitation of the SB600.

Yeah I noticed. Much, much slower than my old controller (ULi 1575 on ABit AT8)

Really peeved about that.

And just in case you guys want to see, this are the settings I've been using since 28th December 2007:



Also, can anyone tell me what the button in the top-right-hand corner of AOD does? The little circle. A little red ring appears around the button when I click it, and I noticed someone else who posted earlier had a yellow ring.

What's that all about?

[justapost]

Actually I did... But 230 seemed to be the wall, and I was blaming it on the NB/HTT multi's, never lowered the CPU below 11x... DOAH!!



I'm using ports 1(HD)+2(DVD) on the SB600, I tried it on the Promise T3 and it was even worse. I must have missed that post by Achim, I'll go back and look for it... My drive has NCQ so it would be nice to be able to use AHCI.

Hi Dave,

I installed wxp with a cd who hda driver packs integrated with discs in AHCI mode. So the AHCI drivers where installed during installation.
I can boot into windows but the system freezes after a minute so i had to switch back to compatibility mode.
You can prepare yourself a floppy with the ahci drivers and use it during windows installation if you don't want to make a customized windows cd.

[KTE]

You need Memset for your RAM: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=114754&page=2

A good basic starting procedure when you want to overclock. Fine tuning timings does help many times.

Which RAM sticks do you have again?

Don't know if you've tried AOD BETA, but on the same board I didn't get the problems you're referring to: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=170378

Need to know which RAM it is and its rated CPUZ specs before I can say anything about the divider thing.

[jonspd]

G-skill pc6400 2gbhz

I just installed memset.

4 4 4 12 24 2t 2.1 vddim at stock I think per cpu-z


I will try that version of AOD.

[TheOtherDave]

I have been reading this and the Overclocking the 9600 BE thread and waiting for a MOD to update my account..

Here is my Phenom 9600 BE story.

I have

k9a2 platinum, Phenom 9600 BE.
I was able to get to 2.7G stable (multiple days of seti, folding, other BOINC stuff, prime95) at 100% processor load.

I am using the msi ver 1.2 bios (I updated from 1.1 but I haven't tried any of the others).

To get to 2.7G I had to up my CPU VID setting to 1.3 volts but that is all.

Now I am running at stock HT ref freq and memory freq (800MHz).

When I try to get the memory to 1066 MHz (I am using 1066 crucial mem) It will not boot.

I will post photos later (I am at work right now).