Official DFI LanParty UT X38-T2R(and LT) Discussion/Review/Overclock/Guide Thread

[zsamz_]

Hello zsamz, maybe the problem can be found in the gtl settings. I leave it on "disabled".
I was trying two type of config: one with the vcore at 1.42 that I use for 425*8, and another with the vcore at 1.47 for the 450*8.

At this point I don't know how to set the memory strap because everytime i move it the mobo doesn't start on the next boot... even if i try a 267*9 with 200\800 (as example).

By the way, can you give me some trick about the NB e SB voltages? What is the maximum vcore that I can give to them? Are they involved with my faulty boot?

Thank you for your help!



Mmmh, so what can I do? Maybe I can try first with the settings reported zsamz?

Bye e thank you!

cpu vid 1.41 : cpu vid 1.465
sb core pll1,7 : sb core pll 1.7v
cpuvtt 1,42 : cpuvtt 1.47
nb core 1.5 : nb core 1.55
gtl cpu 98 : gtl cpu 100
gtl cpu 98 : gtl cpu 100
nb gtl 103 : nb gtl 106

try that gl

[johnp1983]

God bless you zsamz_

The system boot correctly.

I've tried first a clearcmos by moving the jp12 jumper as it's explained on the manual,

then I tried your first config. (cpu vid 1.41)

selecting strap dram to 266/667

and as i said some words ago the system boot correctly not giving me anymore the long constantly beep (dram error) on the post.

Now I'm gonna do some work on the vid to see if I can be stable by lowering them. Then I move on to reach some fsb good frequencies.

Thank you alot zsamz_, your help has been critical to solve my problem.

Have a nice day!

[eva2000]

TRD Phase Control alters the Performance Level setting. If you set a PL of six with the 10 phases set to auto the PL stays at six. If you enable the 10 phases the performance level will be 5. TRD phase adjustment is a way to get a Performance Level in-between what can be set with the PL setting. To maximize the performance increase the same phase on both channels should be enabled. Depending on stability though this is not always possible.

I found the last 3 Phase pull-in settings on each channel don't do much at all for memory performance or latencies when enabled. Only the first 2 phase pull-ins can alter performance. Maybe because my subtimings are already tight ??

Read delay phases all AUTO





Read delay phases
- last 3 Phase pull-in settings enabled
- 1st and 2nd Phase pull-in settings AUTO

[CapFTP]

eva, when I tested on P35, the most heavy effects were on FAST-FAST and the 3 MORE Aggressive settings on DRAM TImings.

the delay phases just had a small impact and morever a more serious impact on stabilty...i'll check again on X38 ...

[Praz]

I found the last 3 Phase pull-in settings on each channel don't do much at all for memory performance or latencies when enabled. Only the first 2 phase pull-ins can alter performance. Maybe because my subtimings are already tight ??

I'm thinking maybe a bug? At least with the BIOS version I currently have loaded. This is what I've noticed with MemSet. With PL and all phase delays set on auto and the correct configuration the BIOS will set the following. All phases of one channel to 4 and all phases except one or two to 4 on the other channel with the remaining set to 5. Memset will show a PL of 4 for one channel and 5 for the other which means the PL is being set to 5.

However, if i manually configure these settings Memset will show 5 for both channels as if the manually set phases are being ignored. I haven't tries leaving PL set to auto and manually setting the phases yet.

[eva2000]

eva, when I tested on P35, the most heavy effects were on FAST-FAST and the 3 MORE Aggressive settings on DRAM TImings.

the delay phases just had a small impact and morever a more serious impact on stabilty...i'll check again on X38 ...

thanks looking forward to your results

I'm thinking maybe a bug? At least with the BIOS version I currently have loaded. This is what I've noticed with MemSet. With PL and all phase delays set on auto and the correct configuration the BIOS will set the following. All phases of one channel to 4 and all phases except one or two to 4 on the other channel with the remaining set to 5. Memset will show a PL of 4 for one channel and 5 for the other which means the PL is being set to 5.

However, if i manually configure these settings Memset will show 5 for both channels as if the manually set phases are being ignored. I haven't tries leaving PL set to auto and manually setting the phases yet.

with 11/28 and PL = 5 set, read delay phase adjust when set to AUTO all = 5 for both channels and memset 3.4 final shows PL = 5. When last 3 phase pull-ins enabled they show 4 instead of 5 for each.

[Praz]

with 11/28 and PL = 5 set, read delay phase adjust when set to AUTO all = 5 for both channels and memset 3.4 final shows PL = 5. When last 3 phase pull-ins enabled they show 4 instead of 5 for each.

I'll flash back to the 11/28 and try the same settings.

[CapFTP]

Praz, only 2 bios available 11/28 and 12/18 right ?

I am currently running with 11/28 as bios has been shipped....any reason to change to newer ?

[BeastNotro]

I do not believe there will be a QX9450 or a QX9550. The X means Xtreme with an unlocked multi. The QX's will be QX9650 and QX9770.

Ah yes .. i always use the X in reference to Quad-Core when i post as oppose to the Dual-Core when i post, some ppl think Q6850 means dual-core, but infact it is a Quad-Core so i use QX to mean 100% quad-core when i am posting.

Yes i know there will be no Extreme lower Yorks made.

[BeastNotro]

you are fustrating yourself over WHAT!?...being OCCT or P95 stable!...if you are not folding or playing heavy cpu demanding games, you are wasting electrical energy and time...it proves nothing to me...use the wPrime bench...if you hack that you are fairly stable....if anything happens after proving wPrime is valid then it is a memory timing issue.

stable is an elusive word...each of us have different definitions!...i say stable is: what ever you do and your OS doesn't freeze; get BSOD; programs close out on their own; random reboots or games drop back to your desktop.

Well not quite true there about not being P95 or Orthos prime stable as it must be stable for at least 12-24hrs.

I have builds run P95 for say 10 hours and fail... i say ok fuk it i will run it... and yeppers... bam games froze up, and even at times when surfing the net the damn thing would freeze up and running 3dmark 06 PASSED with flying colors.....and so did 3dmark 05... but 3dmark 03 Locked her up.

Well the thing was .... the CPU needed more voltage just a hair more and then i ran prime 95 for 18hrs before i decided she was good enough.... guess what i am still running strong on that build... the one i am using now...

I have had many ppl in the past about P95 not being stable, well guys all i can say is if it can't do at least 12-24hrs... basically 12-18hrs stable.. then it is no good in my book for 100% stability.

Now if your just a surfer on the net and play the odd game.... GAWD why bother overclocking at all.... ???

[Praz]

I have had many ppl in the past about P95 not being stable, well guys all i can say is if it can't do at least 12-24hrs... basically 12-18hrs stable.. then it is no good in my book for 100% stability.

Now if your just a surfer on the net and play the odd game.... GAWD why bother overclocking at all.... ???

Ace is just trying to help you not kill your hardware. I run Prime as much or more then most do testing these boards. Just a few observations. Even passing Prime for 24 hours is no guarantee that some other program will not have stability issues. But more importantly, is what Prime does. Nothing in the consumer market loads the cores as much as Prime with the exception of something like a folding program. None of these boards from any manufacturer are designed to be constantly hammered like this. Believe it or not they will die.

This a reason why quadcores are so difficult to get Prime stable for an extended period of time. The components are being stressed beyond their design parameters. The longer all four cores stay loaded at 100% the more heat there is generated. Ignore what software temperatures are. It's localized hot spots affecting both the board and components. This heat causes electron migration which results in degraded and/or failed components.

We are trying to prove stability with a program that was originally used for that purpose when components didn't even require active cooling to operate. Constantly beating on today's hardware with Prime is similar to running your car motor at 10,000 rpm for several hours to prove to yourself that it's worthy of the 100 mile trip you're getting ready to make.

In the end it's a choice the user has to make. But from experience, repeated, extended runs of Prime will do nothing for the longevity of hardware.

[BeastNotro]

No doubt running any program for long instances 24/7 full load will sooner or later damage componets this includes running any Folding program for years and years and years.. heck even months on end will limit the life somewhat of componets.

I am just stating run prime 95 or orthos prime (is what i run) on the Stress CPU and Ram setting which is the default setting for Orthos for at least 12-18hours anyone i know who has done so including myself have never had any issues after that.

Yes sure any program or game can have issues, but that does not always mean it is a OC issue as even CRYSIS is buggy for me and many others cause it is a GAME issue. The problem is when a NEWBIE has such issues they automaticlaly assume it is a hardware issue or a overclocking issue.

I only had one game that had a OC issue after priming for 18hrs and that was HL2 cause of Valve and their stupid update to the steam program at that time about 1-2 years ago frigged it up for so many who were OCing their PC's, but Valve fixed that issue in a hurry cause of the Violent posts in their forums and across the internet about this OC throttling they made happen.

So i say run prime 95 in which the latest version allows for 2-4 cores run without running 2 or 4 instances of the program to prime all 4 cores.

Orthos on the other hand you will need to run 2 instances of it in order to run all 4 cores 100%, that is for now until a updated version comes out, but may i remind people it was Orthos who came out with a Dual prime program NOT Prime 95 makers and it only took 4 years for prime 95 makers to come out with a new release that supported 2-4 cores right out of the Box sort of speak.

Orthos prime is PRIME 95 coding, but the developer made a GUI for it is all and then updated it to run 2 cores at a time when dual-cores came out, but he has been lazy ... in not updating it to run 4 cores out of the Box sort of speak.... sooner or later i am sure he will.


Now if you have a weak componet in your build.. example a weak PSU or Video card then priming is not for you, neiter is OCing or even running a Folding program.. cause all you will be doing is hindering those weak componets to fail even faster.

Weak meaning.... examples a $65.00 500w PSU or a X1300 video card or a $90.00 low-end motherboard, but you have a Q6600 and 2GB's of memory.... don't prime that thing as your going to hurt your weak componets in which if they get damaged during the process they can/could take something else out with it.

[AKHandyman]

I was just wondering if the instant e-mail notification is working ... I have subscribed to this thread, but I never received any notices about the additional posts when I accessed my email this morning ... Anyone know? I've checked all my settings and everything seems to be in order ...

[Praz]

I've never received email notification from day 1. Think it's broke.

[Ace-a-Rue]

I was just wondering if the instant e-mail notification is working ... I have subscribed to this thread, but I never received any notices about the additional posts when I accessed my email this morning ... Anyone know? I've checked all my settings and everything seems to be in order ...

it was broken for a long time and now it works very sporadically!

[BeastNotro]

Its probably like other sites (broke on purpose) to get you to come back here everyday for another Bonus in google page rankings....

[shawn1998]

So, I read mention of a new bios, from Dec 18th?

[AKHandyman]

So, I read mention of a new bios, from Dec 18th?

Yeah, is that true? If so, what has been done to it?

[AKHandyman]

it was broken for a long time and now it works very sporadically!

I was wondering about that ... thought it was, but you never know ... maybe because there are so many threads and posts and such ... it probably overwhelms the servers ...

[Brother Esau]

No .Bin.file for this board yet hey?

[shawn1998]

Well, found the bios on the DFI website and flashed. One thing it solved, on the negative side, is that my Areca 1210 card will no longer work in the 2nd pci-e 16X slot, under any circumstances. I can get it to boot once in awhile, but only at 1X. Before, on the 11/28 bios, as long as I had both floppy power connectors unplugged, it would work at 8X. Now, with both unplugged, it only works at 1X. So, I benchmarked the card in 4X and 8X and found absolutely no difference in performance, so it really doesn't matter. I stuck it back into the top 4X slot and all is well (with both floppy connectord plugged in).

[BeastNotro]

DFI's website guys go there for bios, don't be so lazy..

Heres the link to the Bios page for this mobo.

http://us.dfi.com.tw/Support/Downloa...FLAG=A&SITE=US

Major Reasons of Change:
Improve Graphic Cards compatibility issue

[shawn1998]

The reason I asked, before heading over to the website, is that usually there are posts about it's release, feedback and a link on the first page. There was none of this yet, so I thought it might be a "private" release of sorts.

[C-N]

Notifications work fine for me although sometimes they stop & you have to unsubscribe & re-subscribe to the effected threads.

CN

[Brother Esau]

Anybody that would Like to get a Extra Pre Programmed Bios Chip for the D.F.I LanParty LT X38 to have in case of Bios Corruption or Bios Flash gone wrong the doors are now open for Orders Hurry up they move FAST & I only have 15 left