Skulltrail @ 4.8Ghz

[JAG87]

Sorry to say this but your wrong on many points.
Buy that Bugatti today and in under 2 years something will be faster.
Same as PC's my friend.
One has to make the decision at what level he wants to play.
Yes, you get a year at the top and thats the price of admission.
If you don't want to play at that level you simply don't buy the top and settle for something lesser.
Now you say: " I wouldn't want to be the person who looks at his chassis in Q4 2008 and thinks "I cant believe I spent 3000 dollars on a pair of cpus that nobody would even dream of wanting right now, and omg, nehalem is faster, overclocks more, and uses less power".
I could say that same thing right now comparing this SkullTrail rig to my Clovertown setup but that is evolution and I accept it.
It doesn't make my rig useless, it just means that there is something faster out there. My system does just as much today as it did yesterday so there is no feeling of OMG, I have to toss this in the barrel..
See what I mean?
Someone buys this ST system today and they will get more than a year out of it. Much more.

I raced cars for years..Drags and SCCA
Would have loved to play at the top with the big boys in F1 but outside of my financial ability( and personal talents)
We all find that area that we're comfortable at and thats where we "play"

Now back to our regularly scheduled "Fugger Watch" hoping he shows some more on this beast!

let me break down your argument in two seconds:

Q: why would someone buy skulltrail?
A: to have the fastest machine on earth

I quote you:

I could say that same thing right now comparing this SkullTrail rig to my Clovertown setup but that is evolution and I accept it.
It doesn't make my rig useless, it just means that there is something faster out there. My system does just as much today as it did yesterday so there is no feeling of OMG, I have to toss this in the barrel..

do you see the inconsistency?

Unfortunately when you pay 1.3 million for a Bugatti Veyron that doesn't give you the fastest car for more than 23 months. As the current fastest production car in the world is the SCC Ulimate Aero TT produced by Shelby Super Cars. And it only costs 600,000.
Only about HALF that of the Veyron.

Just like what villa1n said, as with people with Bugatti's and Skulltrails, these people are in a different financial bracket. Absolute performance is their goal and price doesn't deter them. There is absolutely no reason to say it's stupid when people are striving for this, it can be very stupid when people are looking for a price/performance cpu and they pick out a QX chip though. Don't get the two situations confused and show some respect to those who have different priorities and goals.

Edit: Movieman beat me by couple minutes =P

we started talking about the bugatti because a person brought it up, but its completely out of the context. we shouldn't even be comparing cars to computers. people pay thousands of dollars for a 1965 camaro, how come I dont see people paying thousands of dollars for a commodore 64. And what are these accusations of me not showing respect?

Not many of the regulars, I'd say. I couldn't even dream of affording something like Skulltrail, so I come here to see it in action, so to speak.

thats perfectly fine, nothing wrong with that.

A Bugatti Veyron doesnt depreciate in value though. So a false analogy.

Also, the Bugatti Veyron is in a different weight class to the SCC Ultimate Aero TT, so another reason why the analogy doesnt stand. The Bugatti Veyron is far more comfortable due to extra electronic crap it has.

http://www.supercars.net/Comp?source...List=3621-3190

exactly, which is why the two shouldn't be compared.

We come to XS to read about the most Xtreme hardware available. A few can actually afford to go out and assemble a rig with best-in-class components. The rest just like to see what amazing hardware is capable of in the hands of capable and experianced overclockers like Charles, Vince (K|ngp|n), George (HiPro), and Eric (OPPAINTER). So when we get it down the line when it's not so gee-wiz-brand-new we know how to properly set it up for whatever our passion is...gaming...crunching...or benching.

I have met some of these folks (Charles, Vince, Eric, Shamino, etc) and and really appreciate that they are willing to share the secrets of their discoveries with hardware they get first. Yes most of them are sponsored so they get the privilege of playing with this amazing hardware without much financial outlay. We shouldn't bust them for this. They have more than earned this status.

Will most of us ever go out and do the things they do to their rigs? NO. But, if it weren't for people like Charles and Vince setting WR's with their rigs we wouldn't have any inspiration to do what we do with our own machines. I am proud to be among my "family"...this band of dedicated and passionate overclockers.

*steps off soap box and turns off the microphone*

like I already said, there is nothing wrong with that, I agree it's nice that these people get to play with this hardware and show us the possibilities, I am simply stating my opinion that people should not get too excited about something that will never penetrate into the market.

Well said, Philly_Boy.

I keep hearing people referring to Skulltrail as a "proof of concept" board. That term has specific meanings, depending on whether you're talking about computer security or business. This is how it is defined in Wikipedia:



Skulltrail is neither a proof of concept or a prototype. It's a finished product that will soon be available for sale.

There is only going to be hundreds or maybe a thousand boards produced. Thats not even a limited edition retail product, thats closer to a prototype if you ask me.






Ok, wow that was the longest multi quote post ever. I just want to say, chill out guys, dont get so defensive about this. I am merely stating my opinion on what the future outlook of this platform is, and my opinion on the investment in such a platform. In no way am I against charles or anybody else showing this stuff off. After all, if this stuff isn't shown off on XS, where else?