Barcelona Opteron 2350(B1) arrived

[KTE]

For dual-channel mode Spi 1M time was 38.968, and it is clear that overclocked results were taken with memory in dual-channel mode.
So, 38.968 / 32.672 = 1.1927 = 19.3% it is.

I don't want to dwell on this here especially out of respect for others, but I'd like to make it clear. My method was correct but I was in error when I forgot to normalize the values for decreasing number = increasing performance. The formula stays consistent but the math in this scenario becomes:-
((1/32.672 - 1/38.968) / 1/38.968) x 100
= ((0.0306072 - 0.0256621) / 0.0256621) x 100
= 19.27% performance gain with a 20% clock increase

Hope it helps.

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Com'on Kyosen-san, we are all waiting for some usual magic

... And for Stephen

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

. Kyosen and Stephen are owed a debt of gratitude. They've taken crap chips to a level we haven't seen yet. On crap boards, I might add...

As far as I know... these guys are the only ones on the internet that have given us a glimpse of the AMD future.

Thanks guys,

BRUNO

Excuse me, "CRAP CHIPS" ? Oh you mean the first revision of new chips which is obviously labelled as CRAP by the hardcore uber elite clockers like you?

Imho, chipsets have always been a major problem for AMD and have hampered performance. Whether their own or other manufactures. The NF4 did happen to be one of the better though. Lets hope the new AMD 790 finally gives AMD users a great one.

Explain how Nforce 2,3,4,500,550,570,590 or AMD 690G chipsets had MAJOR problems and hampered performance?

[kyosen]

Today, I got my own Barcelona, Opteron 2346 HE

Bulk, but BA stepping


BIOS screen shot...NorthBridge clock is 1.60GHz


AMD Power Monitor, Everest, and CPU-Z


Memory clock is showed differently between CPU-Z and Everest...
I have no idea which is correct or not...

Now I'm thinking Vcore & Vnb mod,
but yeah I should run several benchmark programs
before I broke this board by mistake

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

best of luck m8

[Lightman]

.....
Now I'm thinking Vcore & Vnb mod,
but yeah I should run several benchmark programs
before I broke this board by mistake

You're very wise man

[PhilDoc]

We'd have to highjack the entire thread, but an example would be the NF3 and other early 939 chipsets. If you gave it too much voltage on vdimm you couldn't boot at 200 fsb. Most thought the boards were all buggered until Misteroadster and myself figure out you had to boot around 230 ish. There's and entire sticky about problems with the dfi nf4.

Anyway, too me this is a plus for AMD. It means there's extra performance that can be gained with an excellent chipset, which so far it appears they have with the 790

[Sparky]

Explain how Nforce 2,3,4,500,550,570,590 or AMD 690G chipsets had MAJOR problems and hampered performance?

Add ATI RD580 to the good list.

[quadnad]

This is certainly a thread to watch. I'd love to see how the scaling shows up in real-world apps.

[Charles Wirth]

Following the thread Kyosen-san, waiting for you to make those chips fly.
I hope you dont mind me doing a quick compare at your Mhz.
Vista 32bit, all services running.

[s7e9h3n]

Following the thread Kyosen-san, waiting for you to make those chips fly.
I hope you dont mind me doing a quick compare at your Mhz.
Vista 32bit, all services running.

Charles, it'd be nice if you would have done a comparison using hardware that's currently shipping Last I checked, Newegg doesn't list any Yorkfield Qx9770's along with Corsair PC3-16000's (as well as an "unknown" mb) Just wait a bit and a more fair comparison would be with b2 stepping barcelonas.

BTW, I'm surprised the Barcelona is even running that close to the Yorky @ 3.2....maybe there is hope for Phenom after all

[Viper666]

Charles, it'd be nice if you would have done a comparison using hardware that's currently shipping Last I checked, Newegg doesn't list any Yorkfield Qx9770's along with Corsair PC3-16000's (as well as an "unknown" mb) Just wait a bit and a more fair comparison would be with b2 stepping barcelonas.

BTW, I'm surprised the Barcelona is even running that close to the Yorky @ 3.2....maybe there is hope for Phenom after all

"BTW, I'm surprised the Barcelona is even running that close to the Yorky @ 3.2....maybe there is hope for Phenom after all "

Come on S7 thats normal Intels $2500 processor always beats Amd's $400 one and its always the comparison that gets made. One thing for sure that Yorky cant beat Crays Red Storm(Powered BY K8 Opterons),Intel doesnt make anything that can Only IBM does

Yea I got this feeling in my gut that says,there gonna be a real big shocker comin soon

followed by major fanboy whinning and crying

[s7e9h3n]

Oops...Or is the Yorky running @ 2.4? I say your cheating! j/k

[mongoled]

"BTW, I'm surprised the Barcelona is even running that close to the Yorky @ 3.2....maybe there is hope for Phenom after all "

Come on S7 thats normal Intels $2500 processor always beats Amd's $400 one and its always the comparison that gets made. One thing for sure that Yorky cant beat Crays Red Storm(Powered BY K8 Opterons),Intel doesnt make anything that can Only IBM does

Yea I got this feeling in my gut that says,there gonna be a real big shocker comin soon

followed by major fanboy whinning and crying

Charles, it'd be nice if you would have done a comparison using hardware that's currently shipping Last I checked, Newegg doesn't list any Yorkfield Qx9770's along with Corsair PC3-16000's (as well as an "unknown" mb) Just wait a bit and a more fair comparison would be with b2 stepping barcelonas.

BTW, I'm surprised the Barcelona is even running that close to the Yorky @ 3.2....maybe there is hope for Phenom after all

Well the Yorky is running at 2.4Ghz and looks like Charles is playing Devils advocate.......

[Charles Wirth]

I clocked down, below the Q9450 with Vista 32bit.
Showing where things are now is interesting.

[hipro5]

I think that what FUGGER is trying to say is that IF a person in the near future goes and buys TWO machines, one with Phenom at 2.4GHz and one with Yorkfield at 2.4GHz TOO (NOT expenssive at all) and compare them both, he'll get the above resaults...... Nothing more and nothing less....

[mongoled]

I think that what FUGGER is trying to say is that IF a person in the near future goes and buys TWO machines, one with Phenom at 2.4GHz and one with Yorkfield at 2.4GHz TOO (NOT expenssive at all) and compare them both, he'll get the above resaults...... Nothing more and nothing less....

Yes but this is flawed

Since when did the HE chips == Phenom

:P

oh an come sum1 put the 600 points gap into perspective.

i.e. using a baseline system, how many more mhz would be required to achieve those xtra points?

-edit-

700 points....

[Viper666]

sorry I dont know him ,and no disrespect but Ive already seen benches of that proc. and it didnt beat barcy at 2.5 by that much !

[mongoled]

sorry I dont know him ,and no disrespect but Ive already seen benches of that proc. and it didnt beat barcy at 2.5 by that much !

Sorry to newer members of the forum

Charles == Fugger



Looking forward to the Yorkie-Phenoms head to head

[accord99]

i.e. using a baseline system, how many more mhz would be required to achieve those xtra points?

-edit-

700 points....

Since Cinebench scales almost perfectly with clockspeed on other processor architectures, it will probably take a 3.2GHz Barcelona to match the single-threaded performance of Yorkfield in 32-bit Cinebench R10 and 3GHz to match it at 4 threads.

[Mad_Man]

FUGGER, to be a fair comparison, would you mind to run your bench again with only ONE stick of ram. or two in single channel for that matter?
and ddr2 at 400mhz 5-5-5 would equal to your 800mhz DDR3 at what? 9-9-9?

i would really like to see such a comparison

[mongoled]

FUGGER, to be a fair comparison, would you mind to run your bench again with only ONE stick of ram. or two in single channel for that matter?
and ddr2 at 400mhz 5-5-5 would equal to your 800mhz DDR3 at what? 9-9-9?

i would really like to see such a comparison

Looking forward to seeing this result

[hipro5]

FUGGER, to be a fair comparison, would you mind to run your bench again with only ONE stick of ram. or two in single channel for that matter?
and ddr2 at 400mhz 5-5-5 would equal to your 800mhz DDR3 at what? 9-9-9?

i would really like to see such a comparison

We have to "match" on BOTH systems the Memory Bandwidth if we have to do it as you say....How much Everest Mem Bandwidth have the Barchies and how much the York?.....Latencies too.....Because due to internal Mem controler of the Barchie, the Mem Bandwidth is high......So to be more "accurate", BOTH Mem Bandwidths/Latencies MUST be "matched" somehow.....

[alayashu]

a 'fair' comparison would be with a BA (wont exist afaik) or B2 Phenom
and i smell some Phenom benches at the horizon in the very near future

[Cronos]

By the way , no application with 3.57 SMP speed up (like Cinebench R10) on Core2 Quad can depend on memory speed that much.
Memory-intensive apps. usually have 2-3 speedup on this processor.

[s7e9h3n]

We have to "match" on BOTH systems the Memory Bandwidth if we have to do it as you say....How much Everest Mem Bandwidth have the Barchies and how much the York?.....Latencies too.....Because due to internal Mem controler of the Barchie, the Mem Bandwidth is high......So to be more "accurate", BOTH Mem Bandwidths/Latencies MUST be "matched" somehow.....

Actually, the Yorky probably nets a much higher BW mark than the Barcelona in Everest. IIRC, I got something like ~5500 with the 2350's + 8gb DDR2 667, 5-5-5-x. Phenom will do much better since it's able to run regular DDR2 and @ a higher speed

a 'fair' comparison would be with a BA (wont exist afaik) or B2 Phenom
and i smell some Phenom benches at the horizon in the very near future

BA's WON'T do any better in these benches than the B1's.