Jinu117 SS Worklog (vapoli, UFO, etc)

[n00b 0f l337]

Yep, sounds good Jin.
On another note, have you compared to a little blue? Or just takes up to much room?

[Pete]

Amazing to see you salving away like a workhorse to catch up.

However ignoring all the phase stuff.

How are you now, all okay? (had not really seen anyone ask so i though i'd be polite and make sure ya fireing back on clinders)

[jinu117]

Amazing to see you salving away like a workhorse to catch up.

However ignoring all the phase stuff.

How are you now, all okay? (had not really seen anyone ask so i though i'd be polite and make sure ya fireing back on clinders)

Thank you very much. My health has been in excellent condition since end of may time frame. Something else (3 of them) came up which prevented me from coming back to it. Those problems out of 3, 2 are gone now but one is still outstanding but nothing much I can do about it so I am doing what I can do about my life for time being...

[Pete]

Thank you very much. My health has been in excellent condition since end of may time frame. Something else (3 of them) came up which prevented me from coming back to it. Those problems out of 3, 2 are gone now but one is still outstanding but nothing much I can do about it so I am doing what I can do about my life for time being...

2 out of 3 aint nowt to sniff at i guess and seeing you here is great. Least i have an extra expert here now to bagger for help and adivce. Really impressed how you just get on with it all man

[goatboy]

Think this should survive I think he knows what this is
Soon to be instapacked inside just in case and lid on.

I want to thank you Jin for following thru on your obligation. I received it yesterday.

I hope everything runs a little smother for you from here on out.

[jinu117]

Thank you for your patience and following through your side of obligation Goatboy. I hope you are having fun right now
I finally cleaned up my workshop... haven't cleaned up office yet so that door is closed :P
Not sure what I showed people before but here it goes
1. CNC mill sits in lonely corner there. It really hasn't seen too much use yet due to what has transpired but will be valuable for R&D for sure in time to come.
2. My electric station And "benching" station... not sure when was time I really used that benching station side of story. It was more used for load testing on live CPU.
3. General machinery side I guess. Bandsaw, drill press, mini lathe, scroll saw, and tool rack on left for not too often used tools.
4. Okay, the place I spend most time, load testing, storage of unit in progress, evac, etc all happens here. The 2 assembled units under are actually my previous small sized autocascade experiment :P Probably will need to get hacked away as the capacity was great but temp suffered under heavy load.
5. The other side of view. Laser Engraver is actually being heavily utilized now. It could be better machine but it does it's job fine for time being... (excuse that loose wire... I just put that network wire there just now... yes, it seems like I turn HVAC/R, electrician, plumber, manual labourer whatever I need to do at time... time to tidy up some wires)

[runmc]

Nice shop Jin

Make me something

[TopherTony]

Nice shop Jin

Make me something

What, like a sandwich? Can you overclock a pastrami on rye?

[gosmeyer]

I'd say you got enough toys to make things happen jin but you forgot to mention the most important, the mini fridge.

[teyber]

explain to me the laser engraver? neve heard of one...

and dude, that cnc mill... its tiny! i love it! how much was it/link?
i love your shop...

[jinu117]

First of all, my freezer typically is empty.... I go through a lot of drinks... (soda/gatorade/water)... Typically I am stuck in this area as of last few weeks...
My laser engraver is DSP controlled stepper based 50w laser cutter basically.
Can't cut metal, etc but can cut most of things that doesn't create toxic fumes (it could but I rather not :P) It's not that cheap unfortunately but since I got it from China, other than computer part, etc total cost came out around $5-6k. If you get it in US for decent one of that bed size... typically expect over 10k. It can also engrave (like making those plaque, etc). I suppose I could utilize it to make custom fan grills per request, etc... :P But for time being, I think I will stick to using it for what I use it for.
Same goes with the CNC machine. It's actually Sieg Super X3 mill converted into CNC by Chinese company. I've got pretty much all option possible on it and paid less than what they offer it for now (www.syil.com) since I got it before the US company started. (Of course, I ended up being semi-guinea pig) Involved cost on this one went up rather quick as I ended up getting bobcad/cam/mach 3, etc. What happend for both machines were that living in S. Cal where aerospace industry is heavy, the shops tend to be pretty damn snotty (good shops typically backlogged by a year or so work plan) and have absolutely no interest in prototype work or small qty work. (anything below 1000 is small qty... even 1000 is marginal at best)
Only thing I ended up cutting with the CNC machine was foam for mounting enclosure, one enclosure, and some aluminum playing around things. I do plan to reactivate the machine and get it working for few things I really need to get machine soon.
One thing I don't like right now in my shop is the horizontal bandsaw (can't really see it well from pic) which I picked up from harborfreight rather cheap... and cheap does it... -_-; Can never seem to get straight cut of copper... I would love to replace that but it will have to wait since my budget is extremely tight for few reasons.
Kind of funny that these 2 big tools don't even equate to refrigeration related tools I have in cost... Damned HVAC/R tools are too expensive really...
What I really need is bigger shop space and few more machinary lol. (Router comes to mind as well as about 4 ft sheet metal bender) Really hate paying shops big money for even simple things on this... (maybe I could rent the shop equipment at their place? ;P)

[jinu117]

This is good old machine that took trip with me to CES. I am trying to clean up any old things that are in here right around time I had to take break away due to my health problem and few other things I didn't realize I had so many things standing for experiments, improved design, etc that never got to public. This one basically got cleaned, electronics reworked to safer standard, and semi local customer (way from Fresno!!! Wow... that's easy 300 mile drive) came in today morning, we had some good time getting it installed, and not so good time trying to overclock... All of us happened to be noob at Intel overclocking game... OMG...
Major change you will notice is the mounting mechanism. It has metal back plate, in between nut, so you won't have to take the whole thing apart to change CPU, heavy duty springs (I need to find sleeve for it so it doesn't flex some other ways), m4 screw which is stronger than 6/32 just because it is larger, and pretty darn expensive thumbnut. But it is soooo much easier on the fingers to tighten them up. In fact, it would be very easy to overtighten the mounting to point where board might flex.
Right now, I am using what seems to be 18 gauge galvanized steel for backplate with some precut neoprene (which will be changed to adhesive backed ones), but future plan includes 1/8" thick aluminum milled, drilled and tapped to make it even easier and better to use. Think of it as what was missing in chilly1 installation kit to make it easier and more consistant for end users. I know there is another one that should receive this new kit shortly to try out...
Now, I need someone's help (or a lot of )
We tried to load tune for perfection to the CPU on EVGA 680i + QX6600 G0 stepping and ran into many problems trying to stablize the thing. The temperature read out was excellent and I am bit miffed at not being able to have fine tuned the machine for extreme condition of CPU considering he probably won't change CPU for long time and it would be better for him to get about 4-5c better temperature during general usage (keep in mind this unit was tuned with VERY first generation of Quad extreme at 1.55-1.6v for CES show quad priming at it's max overclock... way overkill for newer CPU and most likely future CPU).
I have suggest my customer, Shalamay, to post in XS for help but I would appreciate if someone who is handy with step by step instruction of trying to figure this one out would be very nice (Typically last 3 will trip out on stability test and it didn't help we had vista 64 business version running to test it out -0-). If anyone can help, you could shoot PM to Shalamay or see if he posted and follow up I personally would really appreciate that.

[TopherTony]

Your trying to figure out how to tune for max load on this chip? Or are you trying to max out the OC on the already max tuned SS? I dont quite understand what your are asking.

[jinu117]

Detuning it for load... I knew this unit held 250w back in CES time frame...
And this customer is one who won't be changing CPU for quite some time to come and G0 being much cooler, I wanted to make compressor have easier time cooling as well as better temperature for him... so what I wanted was best temperature for max load he will do with the CPU... of course, we couldn't since we suck at oc'ing Intel... (for now that is... keep in mind I've been out of scene for 9-10 months).
I hope he gets some nice clocks as quick mobo reading from start showed very interesting temperature from system monitor (which shouldn't be trusted really but entertaining nonetheless).

[Shalamay]

I went to Jin's yesterday, just under 600 miles rond trip, but it was fun and we told alot of stories..hahahha. For some reason, when running prime95 and setting it were it would run on each core (so four apps at the same time, one per core) the fourth core (or core 3 sine 0 is a core) would close the app, but the other three cores would keep running. On its own, it ran it fine, but anytime it was running with the others it would close the app or with orthos it would freeze. I posted in the intel section int he evga 680i and q6600 section if you don't mine helping me oc this thing. We did get it to post at 4.5 at 1.6v, but it would not load windows.

Jin has a nice place and is a great guy. The workman ship is great. He has alot of new ideas and it will be fun watching them develop. He has some crazy stuff going on and units all other the place. Oh, did that cascade find its way into my truck when I left??? Sorry about that Jin. He has some nice units being built. I really like my new unit and how well built it is. The tuning is great the temps are outstanding. Thanks Jin.

[TopherTony]

well if you have it tuned for higher load than it needs, and you are crashing on orthos, then the OC is too high and you need to clock down. Not a problem with the phase. Leave the system tuned until you find a stable OC, then detune to system to match it. To OC the 680i, I got one with a qx6700 so I know what you are going through, you will have to go through the BIOS each time. SETFSB would be great if you had an intel chipset but 680i is kind of a pain and the nvidia OC software sux, at least for me. I would say that if you're crashing at 4.5 your max stable OC is probably around 4.3. Did you try upping voltage to 1.655-1.7? Also, it could be that the voltage isnt stable enough. I HIGHLY recommecd you do the vcore and vdroop mods for this board. It is really easy and will help you out a TON. Might even be able to reach that 4.5 stable. Also, use orthos, I think that does a better job of loading your cores evenly to stress test

Heres the link for the vcore mod page

[tim-]

orthos isn't always stable, even on stock clock.. I don't trust that program.

[jinu117]

I haven't quite figured out the name yet. This seems to be closest to what future will hold for me in various aspect. Since the very first one, it has been a long journey.
Condenser is new condenser back from january time frame which has rifled tubing having most efficiency it can have with current technology. I reckon about 8 units has shipped with this condenser to this date.
Case is redesigned case that started last year and I believe I had prototype in hand right before I got unconcious... It is modular and front panel was made of aluminum while structural part was made of heavy gauge sheetmetal to handle the transportation. Front being aluminum was basically an idea that occured to me as I could easily change design on my mill for some custom jobs. Maybe it would be better to leave it as steel to reduce cost since my mill can handle that too.
Controller has been changed out due to reliability issues in the middle of it.
Compressor dates a little further back and has been in use for some time but never to it's full potential till now.
Evaporator is the new Cryo which seems to really bring up the hidden potential of this compressor.
Other than my paintjob (kind of hard to justify single piece powder coat job) which is probably worst part of system (I KNOW IT IS)... I think it came out rather nicely
There are few more things that are in pipeline to materialize for better usability and performance obviously... one of them is mounting kits which has been reworked on many times and tested on my last customer. It will have few more modification as time progress on to make it even more suitable and easier to use.
Here are some pics





noticed something? Yes... the moisture condensating around evap and flowing into condenser with it sucking air... I haven't seen this too often in S. California on single stage really... typically only during cascade runs. Granted, humidity was kind of high at 55% but still I am really liking it
It was pleasant surprise to look at frost pattern appearing very fast in evap...
Tomorrow, while working on 2 other systems, I will repaint the front aluminum panel (okay... I did drop it from about 6ft and paint just cracked... -0-) and get it maybe waxed up

PS) Front panel should have dark grey plexi to for controller part to make it look clean but since I have to repaint it... it will have to wait.

[TopherTony]

hey jinu, very nice, how is the unit operated/controlled/wired?

[jinu117]

Switch has moved to back for aesthetic Wired like my latest method so it can shut down the line to PSU, etc.
I am going to have to see what will happen with case.

[runmc]

You have pulled it all together very nicely Jin. Congrats on a great machine. You are an inspiration to all.

[Fujimitsu]

Been reading through this log, lovely work. I really love the vapoli cases, very clean I wish i could afford one.

Nice workshop by the way, I think 90% of this board is envious.

[PhilippF]

... and I am one of the other 10% who are VERY envious.

[Ediejo]

Very nice workplace. And the know how is marvelous there.

[billdavis]

is no one using the golden frosters anymore