Defenders of the Faith

[PhilDoc]

I'm from Arkansas and we have a saying for an Old Fanboy. "There's no fool like an old fool". This means the longer you wrongly believe in something, the harder it is correct that something. I've always said if I bought computer parts based on only moral honest companies, I never have a computer. I have two AMD computers and two Intel based.

Wow, they finally managed to get computers in Arkansas. The saying has nothing to do with "Fanboys". It simply means the older you are the more set in your ways you are. Supporting the underdog hardly makes you a fool, nor does buying what you think is quicker. It just makes you different. Calling someone a fool because they have a different viewpoint, well, just makes you look "foolish". There is no right or as you say wrong choice here. The only thing wrong here are the insults and the thread crapping.

Cpus from AMD or Intel will run your computer just fine. Subjectively, the vast majority wouldn't notice the difference. Quite frankly America was forged on supporting the underdog. I see no problem with it. What I find hard to believe is why you seem to need everyone to share your viewpoint. Are you really that insecure in your beliefs that you can't allow a difference in opinion? Anyway, why not leave the "fanboy" and your a "fool" comments out of the discussion.

[Donnie27]

Wow, they finally managed to get computers in Arkansas. The saying has nothing to do with "Fanboys". It simply means the older you are the more set in your ways you are. Supporting the underdog hardly makes you a fool, nor does buying what you think is quicker. It just makes you different. Calling someone a fool because they have a different viewpoint, well, just makes you look "foolish". There is no right or as you say wrong choice here. The only thing wrong here are the insults and the thread crapping.

Cpus from AMD or Intel will run your computer just fine. Subjectively, the vast majority wouldn't notice the difference. Quite frankly America was forged on supporting the underdog. I see no problem with it. What I find hard to believe is why you seem to need everyone to share your viewpoint. Are you really that insecure in your beliefs that you can't allow a difference in opinion? Anyway, why not leave the "fanboy" and your a "fool" comments out of the discussion.

Nice joke LOL!

The the saying was not just meant for Fanboys LOL, but damned sure fits and applies to them perfectly. The longer someone is a Fanboy, the more loyal they are to that company they're a fan of=P They do illogical stuff like buying sub-par products and etc... Do any of you here think AMD gives a Fling Flickering F$%^ about any of you? Same goes for Intel.

Nope, not at all. If I were calling him a Fool, I would have just called him one=P Anyone who closes their options is a fool though and if the shoe fits, hey! I'll stay one of those fence sitters he's complaining about. I'm only loyal to my wallet and don't care for or about Intel or AMD. I have Intel and AMD Fanboy buddies who I agree and disagree with but still respect. I own both and buy the winner as they kick each other's @ss. Then maybe I'm a FOOL for expecting Geeks to be Consumers First and Fans Second.

AMD is no phucking underdog when they're tied at the hip to the German Government and the German State of Saxony. Sure it's not ran worth a Damned by Hector and his gang but who's fault is that? That has nothing to do with Opinion it is a fact.

http://contracts.corporate.findlaw.c...997.03.11.html

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2002/08/.../Section17.asp

Underdog my @$$. AMD stopped being a little guy 10 years ago. Maybe they don't understand what Multi-National means where you're from I remember my brother-in-law in Germany calling it the German version of an American Pork Barrel Project. Yet another friend there called it the modern day WPA. Just in case you don't remember what that is.

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2002/08/.../Section17.asp

On May 6, 1935, the Works Progress Administration (W.P.A.) was created to help provide economic relief to the citizens of the United States who were suffering through the Great Depression.

In this case it was to help former East Germans, former commies who needed work very badly.

[PhilDoc]

Lose it, just a little, did ya?

[funnyperson1]

Donnie27 does have a point, if we were starving in the streets, Hector Ruiz wouldn't buy us a meal.

Make purchases that serve your best interest. My interest is saving money, I usually end up buying AMD as a result.

[akaBruno]

Personally I see fangirls hawking intel. FANMEN= AMD.

If you can't stand up for what you believe in... stand down.

I don't understand why intel folk feel obligated to infiltrate amd forums with their religious zeal. Kinda reminds me of the lunacy behind right wing christian fundamentalists wanting to invade muslim countries.

[knightwolf654]

Little story that happened me today,
my supervisor and his cousin were arguing over who was better the Yankees or the tigers (no brainier there right ) both of them stood there ground and kept it going (my supervisor knows a bit about computers and knows how much I love AMD) so I ask my supervisor why he likes the Yankees so much since he lives in Detroit, he told me flat out and I quote " the same reason you love AMD so much." its personally preference, I really got into PC's when AMD was king so I went with them, I like how the cpus work and I understand them more then I do Intel, so Intel is on top. Woo hoo go them good job getting them selves out of that funk after so long. Now Intel has been king for over a year, I am still not counting out AMD, the held the rain of kingness for far longer then that. I believe in AMD to come out with something that will be better, it may not be by a big margin like core 2 was but I am fine with that, as long as the little guy (technically they are big but there smaller then Intel.) is around I am sticking with them.

[Donnie27]

Donnie27 does have a point, if we were starving in the streets, Hector Ruiz wouldn't buy us a meal.

Make purchases that serve your best interest. My interest is saving money, I usually end up buying AMD as a result.

Exactly! My wallet is wayyyyyy more important to me than Intel or AMD, hell, any of the other companies as well. Before my Conroe Rig, I was running an AMD 3500+ and Asus A8N SLI, still use it as my #2 rig! Still like it and don't see myself getting rid of it anytime soon. It also keeps my wife off mine LOL!Might even upgrade it to a Dual Core and a better Video Card. Why did I build it instead of Intel at that time? It was a better deal than the Hot-Prescott at the time of my Purchase. It ran Games faster than Prescott and that was the main use for it. Yet, according to the Fan rule, I was supposed to buy the inferior Prescott. Sorry no way.

[Donnie27]

Personally I see fangirls hawking intel. FANMEN= AMD.

If you can't stand up for what you believe in... stand down.

I don't understand why intel folk feel obligated to infiltrate amd forums with their religious zeal. Kinda reminds me of the lunacy behind right wing christian fundamentalists wanting to invade muslim countries.

SO, if you believed in Lynching does that make it right? Funny, I don't see Fundamentalists right-wing Mormons, Falwell followers and Limbaugh listeners flying plains in the buildings either. Its a two-way street bud.

I respect your RIGHT to buy what the hell you like. If I came off any other way, I'm sorry and formally apologize in front of everyone here. I think your views on Intel being Crooks and AMD being as honest as Abe Lincoln I don't agree with. Facts, not opinions show otherwise. Intel didn't hire the same folks who cooked Enron's books, AMD did. AMD were the ones who, when they finally had an across the board Winner, charged their customers out the Wa-Zoo to the point that the slowest Dual Core the 3800+ sold for $439 for about a month. Integrity? Hell, they're more like a used car salespersons if there ever was IMO.. I don't blame AMD for talking the Dell money and telling the folks who propped then up all those years while Dell told them to get lost, to wait until we (AMD) fill Dell's Parts Bins. AMD is a company and will always do what's best for them, as they and Intel RIGHTLY should. You should do the same.

But the Fan rule is clear, your favorite company can do no wrong.

[akaBruno]

I don't care what you intel fangirls want to run with.

Why do you all feel it neccessary to post in the AMD forums?

[Donnie27]

I don't care what you intel fangirls want to run with.

Why do you all feel it neccessary to post in the AMD forums?

What, is only propaganda allowed?

[funnyperson1]

I don't care what you intel fangirls want to run with.

Why do you all feel it neccessary to post in the AMD forums?

So am I an Intel fangirl as well because I said I would buy an Intel system if it offered the best performance within my price range?

Are zealots only allowed in the AMD forums?

[jarthel]

For me it's all about Integrity.

in·teg·ri·ty (ĭn-tĕg'rĭ-tē)
n.
Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
The state of being unimpaired; soundness.
The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.

IMO intel has none and AMD has loads of it.

this reply urged me to post a reply...
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what has integrity got to do with it? are you saying you're going to buy a lower quality product because the manufacturer has integrity? are you going to buy a lower quality house/home (or maybe higher selling price) because you like the realtor better than the other? how about a car? would you apply for a loan with a bank that has higher rates but with higher integrity?

I am not saying AMD has a lower quality product. the word "product" is for anything that is for sale.

I will buy whatever is the best bang for my buck! doesn't matter if it's intel vs amd. toyota vs gm vs ford vs etc...

ps. I am currently using an amd 3000+ + abit av3 board

[akaBruno]

Integrity?

Some have it some don't.

Some people will sleep w/ the Devil himself to further their own ambitions. Some won't.

BRUNO

[Donnie27]

Integrity?

Some have it some don't.

Some people will sleep w/ the Devil himself to further their own ambitions. Some won't.

BRUNO

But you didn't answer him. That shows a lack of Integrity.

[akaBruno]

If all you care about is benchmarks... go buy an intel core 2, quad whatever. It won't help you win at your next lan party.

So exactly what question was I supposed to answer to show integrity?

I'd really like to know.

[planoru]

This topic is pointless. Right now we have two rivals that are fighting for our money. Who has the crown sells his cpu's at a higher price. Look how cheap is a X2 now. Look at the prices a few years ago. We need to thank intel for making the amd's dual core so accesible.

Remember when some years back intel had the big pie from the market share. The amd was really cheap and more efficient performance/price compared to intel, yet people bought intel all the way wich was overpriced.
People where convinced that amd k6-II was not stable enough, when compared to intel. Just for these guys to know, a few days ago I saw the oldest windows 98 fully functional install in my life. It's the windows install that came with the laptop. The laptop was bought in 1999. 8 years old windows 98 install??
The cpu is k6-II@450. Also I had a small machine wich runs as a learning/testing server, based on an old k6-II. It has lasted for 4 months withouth a reboot. The caps have bulged on the mobo, so I had to get it out.
Remember that movie from tom's hardware where the amd would be killed withouth a cooler, while the pIII would still run? That had such a bad impact on the "stability issue" debate, that amd was considered to be for unreliable machines. Yet I still have all socket A cpu's running, while a few PII-PIII are dead(most of them are the slot ones).

My point is: this is all marketing. Buy the cpu with 20% less performance if it's 40% cheaper.

[Epsilon84]

Damn, this bruno guy reminds me of sharikou.

If you want to worship something, at least make it a religion or something, not a freaking CPU company!

Weirdos... I'm outta here.

[Sn0wm@n]

dammit fanboy right here *me*

[akaBruno]

Funny thing about intel fangirls... They can't even tell when you're laughing at them. You just wanna shout, " GO HOME AND RUN YOUR SUPER PIE."

[Donnie27]

If all you care about is benchmarks... go buy an intel core 2, quad whatever. It won't help you win at your next lan party.

So exactly what question was I supposed to answer to show integrity?

I'd really like to know.

are you going to buy a lower quality house/home (or maybe higher selling price) because you like the realtor better than the other? how about a car? would you apply for a loan with a bank that has higher rates but with higher integrity?

Would you buy a lower quality Car? Hell, how about food, clothes, or anything else? I don't give a flip about benchmarks and don't have most of the main ones installed. What I do have installed is just to check my install and setup vs. Like Systems.

I didn't need benchmarks to know I ran games faster with my 3500+ than on my Northwood 2.6GHz. Found this out after testing my Bud's rig. That same bud bought a Core 2 Duo after testing mine against his FX-60. I feel sorry for you as you give AMD such unconditional love. Too bad they don't feel the same way about you. You don't mean Jack-squat to them.

[knightwolf654]

like i said its personal prefrence, and personally i wouldn't mind if you intel guys would stop putting people down for rooting for something they prefer. take my advice and stop posting here unless u have something nice to say.

[Skratch]

I just bought a heep load of AMD stocks,but it looks like barcelona is just alot of hype.No wonder why AMD delayed it so much and blabed about its "true quad core"its like they were gasping for anything to bring down the core 2 arch.

Did they not step back and look at raw power?

I'm sorry for all you last die hard AMD fans,the core 2's is a hell of alot better than what you people seem to think.Stop bringing up super pi times.The core is kicking the crap out of anything from AMD at this time and even the mighty barcelona can't close the gap.Don't forget the cores are getting 1ghz+ OC with ease out of the latest bins.

I was hoping more than most of you for bacelona to out perform intel(I'v invested in AMD)and to tell you the truth,this time around I don't think the k10 will have the same wow appeal that the first k8s did.Intel is also sitting on 45nn quad cores that can run over 3 giz with ease.

fans boys aside....Why would any sane person buy a 600 dollar barcelona over a 265 dollar q6600 that can run at 3.6 ghz?

Support your team,but spend your money wisley.

[Nikolasz]

who is better?

[funnyperson1]

Well I'm going to wait on judging K10 until A) We see it benched in a true gaming platform with full speed memory with tight timings, and B) we find out how well they overclock. Judging by the release clock speeds it would seem not that well, but we wont know until Phenoms are in good overclocking boards.

[knightwolf654]

I just bought a heep load of AMD stocks,but it looks like Barcelona is just alot of hype.No wonder why AMD delayed it so much and blabed about its "true quad core"its like they were gasping for anything to bring down the core 2 arch.

Did they not step back and look at raw power?

I'm sorry for all you last die hard AMD fans,the core 2's is a hell of alot better than what you people seem to think.Stop bringing up super pi times.The core is kicking the crap out of anything from AMD at this time and even the mighty barcelona can't close the gap.Don't forget the cores are getting 1ghz+ OC with ease out of the latest bins.

I was hoping more than most of you for bacelona to out perform intel(I'v invested in AMD)and to tell you the truth,this time around I don't think the k10 will have the same wow appeal that the first k8s did.Intel is also sitting on 45nn quad cores that can run over 3 giz with ease.

fans boys aside....Why would any sane person buy a 600 dollar barcelona over a 265 dollar q6600 that can run at 3.6 ghz?

Support your team,but spend your money wisley.

like i said its personal prefrence, and personally i wouldn't mind if you intel guys would stop putting people down for rooting for something they prefer. take my advice and stop posting here unless u have something nice to say.

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