Defenders of the Faith

[akaBruno]

I think most of us Die Hard AMD FANMEN prolly figure that when the home version of Barcy hits... C2D will still be kickin our asses in SuperPi.

But... DO WE CARE? Hell NO!

It's gonna be close in the things that are important to us... like our hearts.

Can I get an Amen?

Bruno

[Kayin]

Honestly, in the real world, where most of us use our computers from day to day, SuperPi means ****-all. Barcelona and Phenom mean two things-continued AM2 socket support/Socket F support and a more competitive quadcore market. At the end of the day, the average user will pick the cheaper of the two, which is likely to be AMD, and the power user will most likely pick whatever is faster at the time, which is God knows what right now, with the BIOS workarounds and such...

I'm looking at Barcelona for my next rig, cause I'm tired of Intel's prices, motherboard prices, and inability to upgrade for very long on a board. I purchased my wife a Pentium D 820 last year, and this year I couldn't put a Conroe on it because of "VRM incompatibilities". Now they're telling me I can't use the old processors with the new chipset. That in my eyes is a structured attempt to screw us out of money. This rig will accept Phenom when it comes out (and will do so) and I'm replacing hers with a dually setup for myself that will be used for CAD, running a server and my own personal gaming system all in one, for less cost than anything near equivalent on the intel side.

At the end of the day, I am loyal to AMD cause they offer competitive performance at price point. When they stop being fast at day-to-day things, and I can tell a difference on the desktop, I may or may not move. I am perfectly satisfied with the performance that I'm getting.

Especially when it costs as much as half of what the intel offering is.

[PhilDoc]

Well said

[ea6gka]

i support AMD cause its innovative , and i like this attitude

[Movieman]

I'm for whoever makes the machine with the most computational power as thats where my interests lie.
I will say that there's no one out there who wishes AMD more success with this than I do as 2 strong companies benefit us all.

[PhilDoc]

I'm for whoever makes the machine with the most computational power as thats where my interests lie.
I will say that there's no one out there who wishes AMD more success with this than I do as 2 strong companies benefit us all.

You pretty much echoed my feelings on the matter. Personally, I think we should all feel this way. That may seem shelfish and non commital on my part, but the way I see it, the only way to keep Intel in line is to have a stong AMD. Without that Intel will jack up prices like you wont believe. Its happend too many times in the past to think otherwise.

[VSpecII]

Honestly, in the real world, where most of us use our computers from day to day, SuperPi means ****-all. Barcelona and Phenom mean two things-continued AM2 socket support/Socket F support and a more competitive quadcore market. At the end of the day, the average user will pick the cheaper of the two, which is likely to be AMD, and the power user will most likely pick whatever is faster at the time, which is God knows what right now, with the BIOS workarounds and such...

I'm looking at Barcelona for my next rig, cause I'm tired of Intel's prices, motherboard prices, and inability to upgrade for very long on a board. I purchased my wife a Pentium D 820 last year, and this year I couldn't put a Conroe on it because of "VRM incompatibilities". Now they're telling me I can't use the old processors with the new chipset. That in my eyes is a structured attempt to screw us out of money. This rig will accept Phenom when it comes out (and will do so) and I'm replacing hers with a dually setup for myself that will be used for CAD, running a server and my own personal gaming system all in one, for less cost than anything near equivalent on the intel side.

At the end of the day, I am loyal to AMD cause they offer competitive performance at price point. When they stop being fast at day-to-day things, and I can tell a difference on the desktop, I may or may not move. I am perfectly satisfied with the performance that I'm getting.

Especially when it costs as much as half of what the intel offering is.

As unXtreme as the term 'Bang for Buck' is, I share your sentiments.

[Sparky]

As unXtreme as the term 'Bang for Buck' is, I share your sentiments.

Many are driven by the buck. I sure know I'm one of them.

[akaBruno]

I'm thinkin that I don't have software to take advantage of my Opty 165 dual core. Why the hell would I want a quad?

I just wanna see AMD do well. And I think that they ARE compared to slow-ass Xeon server types. Bread and Butter Baby! Keep it alive and keep the monoply at bay.

I still haven't heard an, "AMEN"

[KTE]

Dave supports my feelings

But yeah, someone shout at me: Price!

[akaBruno]

How 'bout Effective Pricing?

[Kenetixx]

I just like AMD, i have had some bad experiences with INtel no just product but with some Sales reps and RMA department, so it sorta put me off them , but yeah Super Pi means jack in everyday use, unless your right into extreme overclocking there is no point, even then if you get a record, you will still be a nobody in 12 months time. But each to there own if you like Super Pi or benchmarking go for it, i used to be into it and it was fun, but it doesnt make me money so i got over it pretty fast. And i know alot of gamers that have the best intel chip but it doesnt make them game any better and i can still kick there ass, LOL. Lets hope AMD makes it thru this hard patch and sticks around. If they dont then the market will be ed.

[tux08902]

I don't always use Intel. I don't particularly like their products. My P4-520 was a disastrous chip and put me off quite a bit.

[Kingcarcas]

I'm for whoever makes the machine with the most computational power for the price

[Kayin]

As unXtreme as the term 'Bang for Buck' is, I share your sentiments.

Yeah, well, when you're working 70 hour weeks for just that AMD rig, I think it's pretty Xtreme. Last I checked, this wasn't about who's Xtremely rich, but who's Xtremely good. Rich I am not. Good, I have been since I started.

However, when I started, it was in the 1700 JIUHB days (in overclocking, had been fixing them since 98-99) and we could afford to get them a few at a time and screw around till we found what we wanted. Chips were 40 bucks, my board was 35 (Shuttle AN35N Ultra, anyone?) and el-cheapo Buffalo had BH-5s on it. My 5950 Ultra, while a review sample, was priced at like 250.

Going intel was close to triple price on board/proc for less performance, and back then I ran my balls to the wall 250+FSB 1:1 (swapped to DFI boards that summer, about the time of the 2500 AQXDA) and popped boards and didn't mind, cause 35 bucks wouldn't break me.

Moved to K8, on a 100 dollar board (Chaintech VNF4-Ultra ZENITH) and a cheap CPU (3000 Winchester) and while it wasn't as cheap, I could still afford to play the game. Got a good clocker out the gate, and ran with it for a long time at 2.9 from 1.8 stock. When I moved to a 3800+ and A8N-SLI, I felt it in the wallet, but hit 3GHz on air, too. Stock cooler. I could still justify it.

Now Conroe comes along, and I'm expected to pay up to 400 for a board, 3-400 for a chip, 3-500 for RAM, a grand for graphics, another 600 or so in water cooling, and I'm supposed to top it off by buying a damn MM case? THAT'S what it takes to be Xtreme? Fsck that, you can pretty well have it at that point. I remember when P4 used to be on bottom, and the guys that ran it were still Xtreme cause they had skillz. Now I run AMD and people practically pity me. Pity me cause I got a dog chip and board, don't cry cause I ran with the underdog. Somebody has to do it to keep that competitive Intel you want so bad.

I think we need a complete redefinition of Xtreme around here. We got guys with whole fscking housefuls of stock computers, but they're pushing massive points on WCG, I moved from overclocking/benching to overclocking/watercooling design and theory, lots of us can't afford to swap boards like we swap underwear, and the gap between each of us gets a little bigger every day.

When I came to XS, it was run wht you brought. Now it's if you don't have what I've got, you're a n00b.

The last place I heard that was an MMO, from somebody who Ebayed their gold. I handed his ass to him. Repeatedly.

Don't cry for AMD. We still have the skills to pay the bills, and we have more left in our wallets when we do.

[leoftw]

what the F is superpi ?

[FlawleZ]

what the F is superpi ?

Arguably the most popular benchmark to measure single threaded performance. Originally used for stability testing, yet CPU's are so fast now that even the 32M SuperPi isn't sufficient for 100% stability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpi

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=36835

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[eknny]

Yeah, well, when you're working 70 hour weeks for just that AMD rig, I think it's pretty Xtreme. Last I checked, this wasn't about who's Xtremely rich, but who's Xtremely good. Rich I am not. Good, I have been since I started.

However, when I started, it was in the 1700 JIUHB days (in overclocking, had been fixing them since 98-99) and we could afford to get them a few at a time and screw around till we found what we wanted. Chips were 40 bucks, my board was 35 (Shuttle AN35N Ultra, anyone?) and el-cheapo Buffalo had BH-5s on it. My 5950 Ultra, while a review sample, was priced at like 250.

Going intel was close to triple price on board/proc for less performance, and back then I ran my balls to the wall 250+FSB 1:1 (swapped to DFI boards that summer, about the time of the 2500 AQXDA) and popped boards and didn't mind, cause 35 bucks wouldn't break me.

Moved to K8, on a 100 dollar board (Chaintech VNF4-Ultra ZENITH) and a cheap CPU (3000 Winchester) and while it wasn't as cheap, I could still afford to play the game. Got a good clocker out the gate, and ran with it for a long time at 2.9 from 1.8 stock. When I moved to a 3800+ and A8N-SLI, I felt it in the wallet, but hit 3GHz on air, too. Stock cooler. I could still justify it.

Now Conroe comes along, and I'm expected to pay up to 400 for a board, 3-400 for a chip, 3-500 for RAM, a grand for graphics, another 600 or so in water cooling, and I'm supposed to top it off by buying a damn MM case? THAT'S what it takes to be Xtreme? Fsck that, you can pretty well have it at that point. I remember when P4 used to be on bottom, and the guys that ran it were still Xtreme cause they had skillz. Now I run AMD and people practically pity me. Pity me cause I got a dog chip and board, don't cry cause I ran with the underdog. Somebody has to do it to keep that competitive Intel you want so bad.

I think we need a complete redefinition of Xtreme around here. We got guys with whole fscking housefuls of stock computers, but they're pushing massive points on WCG, I moved from overclocking/benching to overclocking/watercooling design and theory, lots of us can't afford to swap boards like we swap underwear, and the gap between each of us gets a little bigger every day.

When I came to XS, it was run wht you brought. Now it's if you don't have what I've got, you're a n00b.

The last place I heard that was an MMO, from somebody who Ebayed their gold. I handed his ass to him. Repeatedly.

Don't cry for AMD. We still have the skills to pay the bills, and we have more left in our wallets when we do.

Well said!

[LIKMARK]

I still haven't heard an, "AMEN"

AAMEN!

[gallag]

LOL @ fanboys. You do realize that AMD ( like Intel) are company's that would hang your new kitten or puppy if it made them more$. I just dont under stand why people are so into a company starting threads like "Yeah, AMD is great, can I get an amen" lol. Its just plane sad.

Also do none of yous think amd has screwed people over a bit with k10? Its not any ware as fast as they made out, late, and also according to some fanboys buggy as hell. Probably one of the worst launches in history. If Intel had of done some of the crap AMD has in the last year you people would be calling for there heads.

One good thing about k10 though is the power it sips, good job done there. Performance per watt Is I am sure the main criteria server managers look at and amd will hopefully sell enough of these suckers to get some $ behind them to make the phenom launch better than this disaster, Agree?

[Kayin]

No company is perfect. However, if we want a truly free market, you gotta support competition. Give them a reason to still keep doing R&D.

By your statements, it would seem that if you can't run the fastest you should go home. Fie, I say, my 3600+ still plays my MMOs and runs my forum and it's more than capable of running a WoW server, and that's all stock clocked. Now I'm doing all that and designing waterblocks and more, and I don't feel underpowered. If you do, maybe you have other problems. Could I stand to do with more power? Yup, which is why I'm supporting Phenom. More power at a price point I can afford.

If you don't want it, OK, don't get it. Don't thread crap for those of whom it actually excites.

[Motiv]

LOL @ fanboys. You do realize that AMD ( like Intel) are company's that would hang your new kitten or puppy if it made them more$. I just don't under stand why people are so into a company starting threads like "Yeah, AMD is great, can I get an amen" lol. Its just plane sad.

Every member of this forum is a fanboy, supporting a company who doesn't think of you much more than a bag of money. It's a bit derogative really when you think about it (the word fanboy).

Whether you support AMD or Intel, Nvidia or AMD, Manchester Utd or Liverpool or anything. We all support corporations in one way or another.

Me, I like AMD. I like supporting underdogs (hell I even bought Cyrix DLCs a long time ago). Doesn't mean I'm blinded, I just buy a processor from an Intel competitor that is competitive in the price point.

If the Phenom at 2.6 costs £200 and has the same performance as an Intel at £200. I will buy the AMD chip.

[gallag]

Every member of this forum is a fanboy

This is not true,I have built more AMD systems than Intel but now that intel is faster I use them, I can also see a phenom rig in my future if they can get the clock speeds up a bit.

And don't give me this performance does not matter anymore bull, It mattered a hell of a lot when x2 was smoking the P4_pd cores, And I guess that if k10 had of completely wiped the floor with core2 performance would have been of the up most importance again.

[Kayin]

I'm not a fanboy, I'm a loyalist. A fanboy thinks AMD can do no wrong. I admit that Barcelona's launch was fuxed up, that Phenom is way too delayed, and that they may have still not pulled it out on the desktop.

That said, I've a tendency to spend no more than 150 on a CPU, and I know where my money goes further. Also boards are and have always been cheaper for AMD. It seems to me to just plain be OK. I don't have the money to stay on top all the time. I have a famly to support, and that includes two special-needs children. I'm lucky to even get to do this anymore. If AMD makes it cheaper for me to continue playing the game, bring it on then.

[LIKMARK]

If the Phenom at 2.6 costs £200 and has the same performance as an Intel at £200. I will buy the AMD chip.

Second that. And If companies were in opposite situations, I would support the underdog. That's healthy for competition.