Defenders of the Faith

[Skratch]

A true enthusiast will see threw all the fanbois and buy a q6600 go stepping. that chip will do3.6ghz for $265 and is the best bang for the buck out right now,You could also buy a board that supports ddr3 and be set for a while.

I'm not giving up on AMD yet,I'm waiting for some more in dept benching results but so far the cd2's look better with there aggressive mid rang prices.

It's funny how things have turned,I used to say this very same things about intel when AMD had the best bang for the buck mid end parts.

[akaBruno]

I agree that C2D is prolly the best bang right now. I don't hate intel chips or the people that buy them. I just hate intel's past practices and I hate monopolies, in general.

I was trying to think of the 1st crapshootin chip toss that I got involved in... It was started by an AMD fan back in the day of the Slot Machines and the Athlon Classic was on top. Told him and his hoard to F.O. At the time I was running the 1st K6-2 to hit 600mhz, WooHoo! Couldn't get off on the braggart's hootin and hollerin and bashing.

And last year when news was leaking about the C2D's prowess, I was braggin em up, tellin my intel lovin buds at mrcs.us all about em. When they hit the shelves a couple o' guys bit. They're happy and I'm happy for them.

So, why did I start this thread? Because I think that the whole crapshootin chip toss is funny. And I really don't care right now because I'm happy w/ the rig I have. I don't plan on upgrading for a couple o' years, maybe more. So AMD has plenty of time to ramp the speeds, imho.

[akaBruno]

And BTW, I don't recall myself going around the intel forums crappin all over when the P4's were crappin all over themselves. Nor did I go around calling people liars when news started to come out about the C2D's.

[PhilDoc]

And BTW, I don't recall myself going around the intel forums crappin all over when the P4's were crappin all over themselves. Nor did I go around calling people liars when news started to come out about the C2D's.

You can get a Amen for that.

No one here is trying to get anyone to buy AMD, but I'm sure all of us who are trying give results, asking questions about results, and just in general trying to sift though the threads would just be happy if all of the thread crapping would stop. Any other type of comment is completely welcome in my book.

Amen.

[funnyperson1]

A true enthusiast will see threw all the fanbois and buy a q6600 go stepping. that chip will do3.6ghz for $265 and is the best bang for the buck out right now,You could also buy a board that supports ddr3 and be set for a while.

I'm not giving up on AMD yet,I'm waiting for some more in dept benching results but so far the cd2's look better with there aggressive mid rang prices.

It's funny how things have turned,I used to say this very same things about intel when AMD had the best bang for the buck mid end parts.

See I just dislike the notion that one has to be able to drop $270 on a CPU in the first place to be considered a "true enthusiast." I also don't feel the the Q6600 is the best bang for buck right now in the true sense of performance/price ratio. Yes its the best bang for buck out of high-midrange CPUs, but hardly the best overall unless you're only considering folding or 3D rendering.

If you ask me the whole concept of overclocking is born from the idea of paying less and getting more out of it. Right now we have great $60-80 chips like the Brisbanes and the E21XX series that when overclocked to their max get close to top end performance in games and other apps that most people here use. Thats the range that I play, because thats where I can afford to play in, and in that range imho AMD is the winner due to cheaper motherboards.

[KTE]

You all have your perspectives. Do whatever suits you and leave others alone.

Get what you realistically need -> my advice.

Person B can afford X, then let him/her have it. If not, then fair do but don't hold that against him/her like 18th C aristocratic elitists. I'm sure Mr. Gates can get the best rig, pots and cooling ever seen made if he wanted for his kids, but who cares. Its all a bit of fun while learning and pushing technology.

-Number oc and such comps are just only for a few extreme. Its an addiction like gambling for many, even some of my personal freinds.
-Stable max oc, and I mean 24/7 stable/good temp oc that lasts 2 years easy, not 2 months, demands high initial costs if you want something stable past 3200MHz from a Q6600 G0 without the screaming noise, with sustained effort of costs and time -> very few in the real world are willing or have the time for that.
-Moderate oc, even on G0 chips, is no where near what onliners tout around.

Theres no question Core 2 came out to be a very good overclocker/performer but hardly anyone in the common world wants to run ≥55C load temps or pay for better components/cooling from stock one or two fans and HSF. With that scenario, very few will want or get a Kenty/Conroe/Xeon and FX/X2/Opty over 3GHz.

Work as a technician in one decent store around the world and you'll soon notice how factual that becomes.

I'm out for a year more yet at least until I get the final Masters, so all is good. Good to see how things develop between Intel Penryn-Nehalem and AMD Barcelona-Shanghai. I know, and both companies know, that they'll have to experiment and break new grounds to get the lead over one another -> new technology -> that's interesting and exciting.

At least respect yourselves as a bunch of enthusiasts-> as a whole.

Peace.

[SunFlowerSeeds]

huh? what is superpi...

[tsuehpsyde]

I prefer AMD. No particular reason, I've just liked their products for the past few years. I mean, my first rig was a Pentium3, and was a rockin' rig at that (lasted me a good 3 years probably), and then I jumped into K8, where I went from a 3400+ newcastle, then claw on 754, then a 3000+ venice on 939, then an Opteron 144, then an Opteron 165.

Currently, I'm on a 2.8GHz Opteron @ 1.35v lidless on water, with 2GB of PC4000 OCZ memory at 3-3-2, a 7800GTX and a DFI nF4 SLi-DR with a set of Raptors. While it is a bit dated, it's still very responsive in everything I do from gaming to everyday tasks (I love the response time in the OS with K8 with 1MB of cache). Plus, it's still dominates SMP F@H units with ease. And while I'd like to play with C2D, I really have no need for it at this point. The only real thing that interests me is quad core, and now AMD has that. So this rig has afforded me enough time to wait out the storm and see how Phenom is before I go quad. I can't say for sure I'll go AMD, but if they're priced right, I probably will.

[zakelwe]

I think most of us Die Hard AMD FANMEN prolly figure that when the home version of Barcy hits... C2D will still be kickin our asses in SuperPi.

But... DO WE CARE? Hell NO!

It's gonna be close in the things that are important to us... like our hearts.

Can I get an Amen?

Bruno

Sorry, is this the xtremesystems I joined in 2002 or have space aliens taken it over ?



Regards

Andy

[Jimmer411]

Many are driven by the buck. I sure know I'm one of them.

QFT!


Even tho I stepped up to AM2 with the intentions of dropping a K10 in, I think that my next step will be a good overclocking motherboard shorty (knowing me, almost immediatly) followed by the best bang for the buck AMD quadcore.

[akaBruno]

Sorry, is this the xtremesystems I joined in 2002 or have space aliens taken it over ?



Regards

Andy

Isn't that nice. Seems I joined a couple o' months before you did. Small world, eh?

[G80]

I went for AMD back when they were technology superior (a64) to intels cpu range thats the main reason why i choosed AMD. But after months of talks about barcelona, the 4x4 fiasco, and the south africa coktail party. I have lost respect in them. We have to respect that intel have come through with their conroe and is beginning to shine with their products. Many love to think they are evil and everything but the reality is they are making the better processor.

Im still unsure what this thread is about as it probably is the most unprofessional thread i seen on this forum, but im just stating my opinion nevertheless.

[akaBruno]

Im still unsure what this thread is about as it probably is the most unprofessional thread i seen on this forum, but im just stating my opinion nevertheless.

Well, thanks for dropping by and crapping on it. You have a nice day, eh?

[Skratch]

See I just dislike the notion that one has to be able to drop $270 on a CPU in the first place to be considered a "true enthusiast." I also don't feel the the Q6600 is the best bang for buck right now in the true sense of performance/price ratio. Yes its the best bang for buck out of high-midrange CPUs, but hardly the best overall unless you're only considering folding or 3D rendering.

If you ask me the whole concept of overclocking is born from the idea of paying less and getting more out of it. Right now we have great $60-80 chips like the Brisbanes and the E21XX series that when overclocked to their max get close to top end performance in games and other apps that most people here use. Thats the range that I play, because thats where I can afford to play in, and in that range imho AMD is the winner due to cheaper motherboards.

No one said you have to get a q6600,It is the best overall because they do 3.6-3.8ghz ON AIR over all.When overclocked they out do any other chip on the market and I hate to say this even the new Bacelonas that are about to come out.For an extra 125 dollars over what ever low end chip you can buy,you get the whole 4mg of cache and the extra 2 cores with the potential of running them up to 3.8 ghz on air.What are you going to say when intel drops them to 200 bucks when bacelona hits the stores?is 200 still to much?Forget brand names and look at the raw power of the q6600.It hands down smokes everything out there.Im not getting into a AMD vs INTEL debate.Only a fan boy would not buy a q6600.I love AMD to death and am a true fan at heart,but my money is going where the performance/bucks are and that is with intel right now.


I hate how you people keep bringing up the mother board prices.I paid 164 for my board last year(DFI 975x).That is exactly what I paid for my dfi nf4 ultra back in the day.

[PhilDoc]

I went for AMD back when they were technology superior (a64) to intels cpu range thats the main reason why i choosed AMD. But after months of talks about barcelona, the 4x4 fiasco, and the south africa coktail party. I have lost respect in them. We have to respect that intel have come through with their conroe and is beginning to shine with their products. Many love to think they are evil and everything but the reality is they are making the better processor.

Im still unsure what this thread is about as it probably is the most unprofessional thread i seen on this forum, but im just stating my opinion nevertheless.

I agree, Intel is making faster cpus. But, honesly, the only reason we have those fast cpus is because of A64. If it wasn't for that we'd all be still running socket 478 and paying high prices to boot. That's not to say Intel is evil, but any corp is going to do what's they can to maximize profits. AMD did the same thing when they were on top (come to think of it I don't seem to remember anyone suggesting to those who continued to run Intel, they should leave the forum) I also seem to remember that Prescott was about a big of fiasco as you could get.

Having said all of this, imho we should all hope that both Intel and AMD are competitive. Not only do we get cheaper cpus, but better ones to boot. What's the point in insulting those who want to be patient with AMD and crapping in their threads. If you're frustrated with AMD and don't want to wait, then buy Intel state your opinion, but leave the insults behind. Myself, I wasn't going to upgrade until the beginning of the year anyway, so the delays mean little to me.

Andy, you're not suggesting that unless we are all will to buy a $1400 Quad and run cascades that we should go elsewhere?

Anyway, unless you have some past pent up anger and it helps you relieve the pressure, I see very little benifit in being insulting or crapping in someones thread

[G80]

So "crapping" and insulting is the same as discussing and stating an opinion? ,You two are getting things wrong.

[funnyperson1]

No one said you have to get a q6600,It is the best overall because they do 3.6-3.8ghz ON AIR over all.When overclocked they out do any other chip on the market and I hate to say this even the new Bacelonas that are about to come out.For an extra 125 dollars over what ever low end chip you can buy,you get the whole 4mg of cache and the extra 2 cores with the potential of running them up to 3.8 ghz on air.What are you going to say when intel drops them to 200 bucks when bacelona hits the stores?is 200 still to much?Forget brand names and look at the raw power of the q6600.It hands down smokes everything out there.Im not getting into a AMD vs INTEL debate.Only a fan boy would not buy a q6600.I love AMD to death and am a true fan at heart,but my money is going where the performance/bucks are and that is with intel right now.


I hate how you people keep bringing up the mother board prices.I paid 164 for my board last year(DFI 975x).That is exactly what I paid for my dfi nf4 ultra back in the day.

Well I wouldn't pay $164 for the DFIs either. Call me cheap but for me bang for buck means extracting the most performance for the least amount of money. I don't see any applications that I use utilizing quad cores, and so while I wouldn't buy a Q6600, I wouldn't buy a Phenom either, at least not until the price drops below $150 and I see a bunch of games that I want to play supporting and benefiting from quad cores.

During the 939 era I used an ASRock 939Dual to get my Opty144 to 2.7, maybe if I had a DFI I could have gotten to 3ghz, but again, why would I pay twice as much for a motherboard to get an extra 10% performance. If that board hadn't died, I would still be using that rig today.

Right now there are AM2 boards from Biostar and Gigabyte which oc well enough to max out any AM2 CPU for $60-80. The good Intel ocing boards start around $100.

In any case all the games in recent memory have been graphics limited unless you have two 8800s or 2900XTs.

The Q6600 is no doubt a great chip, but $275 is almost as much as my mobo, ram, and CPU combined cost me.

I'm not so much an AMD fan, but I am a fan of buying low and overclocking to make up for it. When I was getting parts for my current rig I really wanted a Core2Duo, but the cheapest C2D was $180 (E4300), and the cheapest good motherboard was $120 (TForce965). My CPU and mobo cost me $175 total, and other than SuperPi and Folding, I wouldn't have really noticed the difference. But I do notice $100 in my pocket.

[PhilDoc]

So "crapping" and insulting is the same as discussing and stating an opinion? ,You two are getting things wrong.

I'll have to reread your post, but I wan't referring to you crapping on anything.

[akaBruno]

So "crapping" and insulting is the same as discussing and stating an opinion? ,You two are getting things wrong.

You were insulting me, personally. I was kind in my reply to the insult. And... you really don't want to hear my opinion of you.

BRUNO

[G80]

Where, how? unless you founded AMD and cant stand people prefering other products i dont see how i insulted you.

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

Yeah, well, when you're working 70 hour weeks for just that AMD rig, I think it's pretty Xtreme. Last I checked, this wasn't about who's Xtremely rich, but who's Xtremely good. Rich I am not. Good, I have been since I started.

However, when I started, it was in the 1700 JIUHB days (in overclocking, had been fixing them since 98-99) and we could afford to get them a few at a time and screw around till we found what we wanted. Chips were 40 bucks, my board was 35 (Shuttle AN35N Ultra, anyone?) and el-cheapo Buffalo had BH-5s on it. My 5950 Ultra, while a review sample, was priced at like 250.

Going intel was close to triple price on board/proc for less performance, and back then I ran my balls to the wall 250+FSB 1:1 (swapped to DFI boards that summer, about the time of the 2500 AQXDA) and popped boards and didn't mind, cause 35 bucks wouldn't break me.

Moved to K8, on a 100 dollar board (Chaintech VNF4-Ultra ZENITH) and a cheap CPU (3000 Winchester) and while it wasn't as cheap, I could still afford to play the game. Got a good clocker out the gate, and ran with it for a long time at 2.9 from 1.8 stock. When I moved to a 3800+ and A8N-SLI, I felt it in the wallet, but hit 3GHz on air, too. Stock cooler. I could still justify it.

Now Conroe comes along, and I'm expected to pay up to 400 for a board, 3-400 for a chip, 3-500 for RAM, a grand for graphics, another 600 or so in water cooling, and I'm supposed to top it off by buying a damn MM case? THAT'S what it takes to be Xtreme? Fsck that, you can pretty well have it at that point. I remember when P4 used to be on bottom, and the guys that ran it were still Xtreme cause they had skillz. Now I run AMD and people practically pity me. Pity me cause I got a dog chip and board, don't cry cause I ran with the underdog. Somebody has to do it to keep that competitive Intel you want so bad.

I think we need a complete redefinition of Xtreme around here. We got guys with whole fscking housefuls of stock computers, but they're pushing massive points on WCG, I moved from overclocking/benching to overclocking/watercooling design and theory, lots of us can't afford to swap boards like we swap underwear, and the gap between each of us gets a little bigger every day.

When I came to XS, it was run wht you brought. Now it's if you don't have what I've got, you're a n00b.

***KING right on buddy......I agree entirely

AMD = QUALITY + PERFORMANCE + RELIABILITY - $$$$$

Anyhow.........we all know TRUE overclockers use AMD

[tdenton1138]

Whatta dummy thread. Faith and patriotism is for dumb nuts. The other of us still have brain.

[rant]'Whatta' dummy comment. Unless English is your second language, your brain is not very good at grammer.

Go back to the bitter solace of your atheism and your disdain/hate for whatever country you hail from and quit crapping on this thread. [/rant]

My last two builds have been Intel, but I still have an XP2500 system which I'd really like to upgrade and I'm hoping the Phenom will give me a strong reason to continue to support AMD. We shall see.

[biohead]

Too many people are lacking both manners and respect for other peoples opinions and views, and in forums like these they have the courage to behave in a way they would't dare face to face. That is sad. For them.

Welkom 2 da interwebs.

[akaBruno]

For me it's all about Integrity.

in·teg·ri·ty (ĭn-tĕg'rĭ-tē)
n.
Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
The state of being unimpaired; soundness.
The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.

IMO intel has none and AMD has loads of it.

As far as the trolls go... "I love AMD, I used to run AMD blah blah blah..."
You're a bunch of Mugwump fencesitters. Ya got your Mug on one side of the fence with your Wump on the other. All y'all need to stick your Mugs up your Wumps. And it wouldn't hurt ya one bit, since y'all went over to the Dark Side it wouldn't matter, anyway. Y'all can't see past the crap you're spewing now.

So why not leave the good folk who support AMD alone. Quit trying to make excuses for why you went to the Dark Side.

BRUNO

[Kayin]

You know, this is getting down to a simple fight on the internet.

You know what happens when you win a fight on the internet? You're still retarded.

People forget to realize that people have freedom of choice. Would I run a Q6600 if it were given to me? You betcha, I'd enjoy it and I'd clock it slap blind, as they say in these parts. I'd be proud of my rig, just like I am now. So long as it's fast enough to suit me, that's what I need. I'm not here to dominate synthetic benchmarks. My Photoshop times, however, are something to be proud of, cause I spent my time optimizing that instead of trying to get those last three points in 3DMark. And yes, I've done that too.

The point of that quad cost what my board and proc cost is a big point. To know I will probably only get that one generation out of the Intel board (not always true, but look at Prescott/925-Smithfield/Presler/955-975 rev.1-Core2Duo/975 rev.2... And now look at AM2's support for the future. All the way to quad core, if you're interested in followin it...

Look, if you wish to deride me for not following the fads, OK, go ahead. I don't see you doing the same things I am, so maybe you can't justify my stance. If that's the case, I would ask you (here and elsewhere) to live and let live, cause unless you claim that AMDs and Intel share the same socket currently or that your Cyrix can spank us all, I have no interest in attempting to change your position.

And BTW, in the price range, the Q6600 is the best deal I can see. However, that's not the only price range out there...