Official AMD Barcelona Thread

[informal]

Your understanding is very wrong.

[Shintai]

Well..the BIOS update is a free yes or no. Since it cant be proven. But it is worth considering, that there is no barcelona ready BIOS updates (Some would maybe start claiming due to NDA and whatever). While we got yorkfield and wolfdale ready ones.

[Donnie27]

Is this Paper launch?
http://www.intel.com/technology/maga...htm?iid=search


Stay calm until september after that you can spam on AMD at will if they merit it

Same thing

[Donnie27]

Our upcoming Third-Generation of AMD Opteron processors, developed under the codename ‘‘Barcelona’’, are designed to set the next standard.




Reading's bad for your health, afterall!


I really am enjoying the super duper cheap dual core prices though. $60-$70!

Just as any reading is good for your health LOL!

[dippyskoodlez]

Just as any reading is good for your health LOL!

What?

[DeathReborn]

What?

It's very OT but reading is good for the mind but extended periods of reading without a break or in bad light can stain your eyes which is bad for your health.

Basically Donnie27 thinks that when you say "we will launch a product in x months" really means "we are launching it now but you can't buy it until y time".

Donnie27, you are very wrong in your understanding of English, PR & Marketing. They have not paper launched it & the only way they can is to say "you can buy it now" when really you can't. AMD have never said Barcelona was available now, just that they were going to make it available in August. So if it's not in shops by Midnight, August the 31st then it's a paper launch.

[dippyskoodlez]

It's very OT but reading is good for the mind but extended periods of reading without a break or in bad light can stain your eyes which is bad for your health.

I know its good for the mind

I was being sarcastic with the "reading is bad".. but apparently I did it wrong.

[Donnie27]

It's very OT but reading is good for the mind but extended periods of reading without a break or in bad light can stain your eyes which is bad for your health.

Basically Donnie27 thinks that when you say "we will launch a product in x months" really means "we are launching it now but you can't buy it until y time".

Donnie27, you are very wrong in your understanding of English, PR & Marketing. They have not paper launched it & the only way they can is to say "you can buy it now" when really you can't. AMD have never said Barcelona was available now, just that they were going to make it available in August. So if it's not in shops by Midnight, August the 31st then it's a paper launch.

It launched on paper, I never said they did a hard launch. If that were the case I would have called it a more appropriate "Pre-Launch" or the hype that surrounds it sheesh! But have it any way you'd like

[Donnie27]

I know its good for the mind

I was being sarcastic with the "reading is bad".. but apparently I did it wrong.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=183

[Sup3rman]

Your understanding is very wrong.

Not one partner is advertising a Barcelona compatible board for sale. At Computex partners had Barcelona running on AMD reference boards in sealed boxes.

With all the hype around Barcelona, what would make a motherboard manufacturer not advertise compatibility?

[informal]

Not one partner is advertising a Barcelona compatible board for sale. At Computex partners had Barcelona running on AMD reference boards in sealed boxes.

With all the hype around Barcelona, what would make a motherboard manufacturer not advertise compatibility?

You actually believe this??

The main AMD selling point IS backwards compatibility.They based all their advertisement on that(apart from native quad core stuff and other things).

So no,that won't happen,not in million years.
I will not go into why there is no advertisements from mobo maker's side.

[Sup3rman]

You actually believe this??

The main AMD selling point IS backwards compatibility.They based all their advertisement on that(apart from native quad core stuff and other things).

So no,that won't happen,not in million years.
I will not go into why there is no advertisements from mobo maker's side.

I am not predicting the future. I am saying to date there is no platform to run Barcelona outside of AMDs reference boards.

AMD's main selling point keeps changing:
> First
Superiority over Intel's quad (They have back off this point)
> Then
Superiority over Opteron dual core (2GHz QC vs. 3GHz QC superiority really depends on the app)
> Then
Performance per watt (This didn't work AMD 1.9GHz @ 65W vs. Intel 2GHz @ 50W)
> Now
Backwards compatible simple BIOS upgrade (the simple BIOS upgrade is not so simple)

I am positive there are people on this board with access to a Barcelona CPU, it's not the NDA that's preventing the benchmarks.

[GoThr3k]

It launched on paper, I never said they did a hard launch. If that were the case I would have called it a more appropriate "Pre-Launch" or the hype that surrounds it sheesh! But have it any way you'd like

it isnt launched on paper.....

How many people saying the same thing over and over again do you need before you understand the matter?

[Movieman]

Guys: Does it really matter if it launched or paper or didn't?
Keep a perspective. It's not important. Really, it isn't.
When they get here they'll get here and thats it.
I want a pair of Harpertowns so bad I get wood every time I think about it( and at 55 that ain't easy! ) but you don't see me bellyaching about it daily do you?
C'mon, Have some fun here and at least try to be friends.
Xs has so much to offer, don't get stuck on the negative things.
Thanks for reading..

Just caught this:
Sup3rman: You said:
"I am positive there are people on this board with access to a Barcelona CPU, it's not the NDA that's preventing the benchmarks."
Yes, there are people with Barcelona's but they'd never see another cpu from AMD if they published benchmarks. That's the God's truth and the only reason you haven't seen benchmarks here.

[Donnie27]

it isnt launched on paper.....

How many people saying the same thing over and over again do you need before you understand the matter?

I'll take Movieman's advice. But first; I didn't come here to insult folks like one other poster.

Whatever it is, it's Hyped out the wa-zoo but hidden from that public. The simple point still stands, if it kicked ass, AMD would be leaking real benchmarks all over the place. NDA's would have been lifted long before its official launch as well. Bad sign.

Originally Posted by DeathReborn
Donnie27, you are very wrong in your understanding of English, PR & Marketing. They have not paper launched it & the only way they can is to say "you can buy it now" when really you can't. AMD have never said Barcelona was available now, just that they were going to make it available in August. So if it's not in shops by Midnight, August the 31st then it's a paper launch.

Now please link to where I said anything close to flame bait like that? Movieman I'm 50 years old and no, these childish replies don't bother me, that's why I didn't add to the flames. He's absolutely clueless and is posting feeling instead of established norms.

Examples.

Paper launch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A paper launch is the situation in which a product is compared or tested against other products, despite the fact that it is not available to the public at ... en.wikipedia.org

That's what Intel and AMD have been jumped for since the term was invented.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=32000

Why does Intel have to control the benchmarking environment? It is not an objective review methodology with Intel controlling the systems and software. Credibility is seriously in question.

Looks like another desperate paper launch so they can give the impression of keeping pace with AMD. More reacting to AMD.

If you guys think I'm the only one using the Term paper launch like this, you're crazy.

[AbelJemka]

Whatever it is, it's Hyped out the wa-zoo but hidden from that public. The simple point still stands, if it kicked ass, AMD would be leaking real benchmarks all over the place. NDA's would have been lifted long before its official launch as well. Bad sign.

It's Intel way of doing. AMD used to be full of NDA and greedy to spare ES chip.
Moreover why the point of giving something now? Barcelona is out in around one months.

[Movieman]

Donnie:
Everyone likes to have the last word in a discussion. Myself included.
Last night I read thru this back and forth of whether of not AMD is doing a paper launch and saw the tempers heating up.
That's why I asked that people let this go and get onto something constructive. I tried to do it nicely as I would much rather deal with everyone on this forum as a friend than pull rank and play mod.
Get my drift?
To take something as minute as this and make it into a bone of contention between people is ludricous IMO.
Every Barcelona thread that has been opened has been closed.
I don't want that to happen here.
I've already asked one guy not to post in this thread to try and keep the peace. I don't want to have to ask anyone else.
The bottom line is that companies do release information before the product to build interest in that product so that a ready market is there the day the item is available. Whether that time is a month or a year is their option.
Can we please leave it at that?
Thanks for reading.

[Donnie27]

Donnie:
Everyone likes to have the last word in a discussion. Myself included.
Last night I read thru this back and forth of whether of not AMD is doing a paper launch and saw the tempers heating up.
That's why I asked that people let this go and get onto something constructive. I tried to do it nicely as I would much rather deal with everyone on this forum as a friend than pull rank and play mod.
Get my drift?
To take something as minute as this and make it into a bone of contention between people is ludricous IMO.
Every Barcelona thread that has been opened has been closed.
I don't want that to happen here.
I've already asked one guy not to post in this thread to try and keep the peace. I don't want to have to ask anyone else.
The bottom line is that companies do release information before the product to build interest in that product so that a ready market is there the day the item is available. Whether that time is a month or a year is their option.
Can we please leave it at that?
Thanks for reading.

I'm not mad or upset. It was an old ploy by the doodles guys to switch the subject. He loves AMD and anything seeming negative towards AMD, he takes personally. I don't want to see the thread closed either.

Honestly, I know why they did it and I shouldn't be called names for saying they did it. It's not about the "last word", it's about simple right and wrong. Now I'll do my best to get with the program.

[informal]

Well said MM.It seems you are restraining badly not to use mod stick,i can see your hand reaching to it,but stopping at the last sec .You are right,every company hypes their products before launch,it's common practice.Only AMD does it in slightly different way since they are extra careful to whom they give their chips.

[Donnie27]

It's Intel way of doing. AMD used to be full of NDA and greedy to spare ES chip.
Moreover why the point of giving something now? Barcelona is out in around one months.

If there is a real reason for some type of Barcelona hush-up, AMD would do better to disclose it and build trust. It's too close for all of this secrecy when AMD is being Hammered (pardon the pun).

Intel would hide their results just like AMD if Penryn didn't out perform Conroe for example. Not taking sides here, please noticed I said the same thing when the question was asked.

[AbelJemka]

He loves AMD and anything seeming negative towards AMD, he takes personally.

Not problem with AMD fanboys Donnie27, Intel"Evil Inside" Knigth is already here to destroy them and he works 24h/24h

[Donnie27]

Not problem with AMD fanboys Donnie27, Intel"Evil Inside" Knigth is already here to destroy them and he works 24h/24h

Hehehe! Funny thing is I want to see Barkie kick ass. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. I just don't like the stalling.

[AbelJemka]

If there is a real reason for some type of Barcelona hush-up, AMD do better to disclose it and build trust. It too close for all of this secrecy when AMD is being Hammered (pardon the pun).

Intel would hide their results just like AMD if Penryn didn't out perform Conroe for example. Not taking sides here, please noticed I said the same thing when the question was asked.

Intel doesn't hides nothing cause they know Penryn outperform Conroe and it doesn't hide Conroe numbers cause they outperform K8 numbers. AMD may not shows numbers cause they are bads...or not

[Movieman]

I'm not mad or upset. It was an old ploy by the doodles guys to switch the subject. He loves AMD and anything seeming negative towards AMD, he takes personally. I don't want to see the thread closed either.

Honestly, I know why they did it and I shouldn't be called names for saying they did it. It's not about the "last word", it's about simple right and wrong. Now I'll do my best to get with the program.

Thank you. Now go play in the Intel thread and let these poor guys enjoy their discussion of their upcoming products.
It's been a long year for the AMD supporters and lets hope all the mystery is to bring out a monster new line for AMD.
That would make my day.

Well said MM.It seems you are restraining badly not to use mod stick,i can see your hand reaching to it,but stopping at the last sec .You are right,every company hypes their products before launch,it's common practice.Only AMD does it in slightly different way since they are extra careful to whom they give their chips.

Yes, I was restraining. Being a mod here is a 2 edged sword.
One is also a forum member with many friends and also hates to interfere in any thread. It isn't a power game or ego trip but a desire to see peace and friendship prevail. Sounds a bit naive but it isn't.
I see this forum as a place to come and learn and share what we know as friends.
It's that simple to me and I try to be fair to everyone as long as they will listen to logic.
Now I'm not a mild person by nature and you see the dark side of me when spammers post here.
I ban their backsides as fast as possible to deny them the one thing they want: Time on the forum for people to read their filth.
OK, Back to Barcelona!

[Donnie27]

Intel doesn't hides nothing cause they know Penryn outperform Conroe and it doesn't hide Conroe numbers cause they outperform K8 numbers. AMD may not shows numbers cause they are bads...or not

Possible.