Official AMD Barcelona Thread

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it´s pretty much that way from the desktop PC point of view. i wasnt talking about all processors, just this specific segment. even apple started to use intel cpu, and then there is via...which doesn´t need any further comment,they´ve been focusing on other things and clearly can´t compete intel. i´m not aware of anyone else making processors for computers that WE use as workstations, correct me of i´m wrong.

Apple changed due to price and such. And Apple is actually a fine example on that you can completely scrap a CPU architecture if you want. Your view on things is pretty narrow if you can only see Via, AMD and Intel. Workstations also include, or did include sparc, powerpc, and so on. If there is money to be made, a new company would quickly emerge.

that is partially right. computers imo wont experience rapid decrease in selling because improvements are not what they used to be. majority of people dont even know what rig they have, they just call dell and say "I need PC for gaming/office". the most important thing is that this is growing market, every year more computers are sold, so i wouldnt worry if i was intel that some enthusiastic people are giving up on me.

I dont get your point. Also think cash, what do you think Intel would win losing the volume and consumers wanting new CPUs? Intel would lose profit big time. Its just not an instant "I win card" to be a monopoly.

surely they would have spent more if someone was breathing on their neck.

See here you are actually completely wrong. Both AMD and Intel is reducing heavily on R&D right now. AMD have reduced it with about 500million. Intel with about 500million aswell. So currently R&D is the loser of competition, in favour of a pricewar. So a big nono, development lost here!

can´t see any horrible effort in OS market. but they have to progress when they look how awfully close are free distributed OS to their systems. honestly, it took Vista 5 years to replace XP and what are the results? some bling-bling features, slight improvenents. with competition Vista would have come much earlier.

You lack basic understanding of Vista. Do some research on whats changed under the hood.

sorry but your thinking is flawed in this. monopoly is a second name for stagnancy, nothing good comes out of it, longterm or shorterm. history has proven this over and over. what´s holding intel from inventing something other than x86 and switching to it while there is competition?

Oh..history. So you say monopoly is stagnant and nothing good ever came out of it.
Is that why the monopolies around in europe and asia made sure people could have the infrastructure ready for broadband? Just look at the "competition" on US broadband. Even in the ultra dense NY area you got crap. Nobody really want to digg down fiber on their own if there is competition. Its very expensive and a longterm investment. And if nobody else does it its a current loss that could kill you in the name of competition.
Look on the OS front, without the monopolistic MS we would have what, chaos and 5000 standards? twice the cost of developing games due to no standardlized platform and tools?

And since we still run around with x86 and all its flaws and drawbacks. Its a clean show on competition aint helping here, but rather keeping us somewhat stagnant. All in the name of competition, because any possible road into new areas would give you a huge loss if it fails. And burden you economicly in a way your competitors aint.


Monopols and competition each got their flaws and stregths. And they are best fixed now and then when the stregth of the other is needed.