Quote Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan View Post
Guys, you can quit the "doom for AMD" We'll prolly see benchies for the newest batch soon Core 2 had bugs too.

I'm 100% confident that AMD can deliver. It's just the matter of when. If they can win the server segment, that's good news for Phenom in November. you have to realise that November and December are crucial because of the Christmas buying season. I'm just a little bit worried about how they're going to price it. It must be priced competitively, or they're going to lose during the Christmas buying season. If Phenom can best Conroe or Penryn, it's going to fly out the door at OEMs like HP around Christmas.
WHEN they deliver a given level of performance matters.

AMD will not lead in the server segment. Not with these launch clocks, nor even at 2.5GHz in Q4. Harpertown and Seaburg arrive by then.

Phenom will do even worse vs Conroe, as AMD's sole advantage is latency & bandwidth to main memory, which is most pronounced in multi-socket server systems. Phenom at 2.2-2.4GHz (the highest speed on the December map from AMD) will be soundly beaten by Kentsfield and completely blown away by Penryn.

2.5GHz in September 2006 would've been competitive.
2GHz in September 2007, followed by up to 2.5GHz in Q108 is woefully uncompetitive.
Execution matters.