False information in the articles: No UVD in R600

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Argh, it's already clearly stated that R600 doesn't support UVD but hardware accelerated decoding through Shaders.

lol i know... when did [H] members start joining the forums?

[nicepun]

lol i know... when did [H] members start joining the forums?

I hope you don't mean me...

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I hope you don't mean me...

Sampsa and even ATI themselves have all said a million times R600 HAS NO UVD and never will!!!!!! It has hardware accelerated decoding through the unified shader architecture...

[cadaveca]

Yes, but you must wonder if they did not jsut disable UVD in order to deal with leakage issues, thereby allowing them to scale the clocks higher...

[Metroid]

It is very sad to see they got almost everybody, better late than never.

[nicepun]

Sampsa and even ATI themselves have all said a million times R600 HAS NO UVD and never will!!!!!! It has hardware accelerated decoding through the unified shader architecture...

This is understood, but it still doesn't explain your comment...

lol i know... when did [H] members start joining the forums?

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because everyone keeps on asking the same questions and trying to argue that it does have UVD even though it has been stated numerous times that it doesn't

[nicepun]

because everyone keeps on asking the same questions and trying to argue that it does have UVD even though it has been stated numerous times that it doesn't

I think more than anything you got misguided at my title "Hardware Junkie" which you see over @ [H], when I'm in fact a Hardware Junkie....

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I think more than anything you got misguided at my title "Hardware Junkie" which you see over @ [H], when I'm in fact a Hardware Junkie....

I didn't actually know you were from [H].. I was only joking and I didn't mean it as an insult towards you as such, I was just just getting a bit annoyed with the same questions being repeated and the same answers being given...

[onethreehill]

Anantech: AMD's UVD Debacle

There has been a lot of talk over the past week about the fact that the Radeon HD 2900 XT lacks UVD (Universal Video Decode) hardware for HD video decode acceleration on the GPU. We've seen sites from The Tech Report to DailyTech, and even Beyond3D reporting on the situation. While there is much discussion already out there, we would like to provide our take on things.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3000

[Sampsa]

Anantech: AMD's UVD Debacle


http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3000

Good to see they are also looking into this although I already posted over 10 days ago that their article has wrong information

[SEA]

So i should not go for 2600 that i 'm waiting for?..

I think i read on ATI's site that there is UVD. This thread confused me. I will need to spend time to read i figure out if it is so or not.

P.S.
WTF!
The topic's name is misleading - No UVD R600???
There IS UVD in Radeon 2600! Topic name and 1st post info should be corrected to save people's time!

[XeRo]

So i should not go for 2600 that i 'm waiting for?..

I think i read on ATI's site that there is UVD. This thread confused me. I will need to spend time to read i figure out if it is so or not.

P.S.
WTF!
The topic's name is misleading - No UVD R600
There IS UVD in Radeon 2600! Topic name and 1st post info should be corrected to save people's time!

2600 = RV630

R600 = 2900

[SEA]

2600 = RV630

R600 = 2900

Ah, this way...

I used to think R600 == R6xx generation and read topic name so...
OK

So 2900 does not have UVD. That's good!
I mean 2600 has it. 2900 usually bought not to be used within home theater 225 watts to watch movie?! neeee

[Sampsa]

Now AMD's Dave Orton is saying that R600 has UVD:

"AMD's Dave Orton told the press that attended the Press Conference that the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT in deed does UVD, but due to the power full shader engine in the GPU, it is done in software rather than in hardware as is the case with the HD 2600 and HD 2400 series."

http://www.tweaktown.com/computex2007/13/index.html

[Shintai]

Now AMD's Dave Orton is saying that R600 has UVD:

"AMD's Dave Orton told the press that attended the Press Conference that the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT in deed does UVD, but due to the power full shader engine in the GPU, it is done in software rather than in hardware as is the case with the HD 2600 and HD 2400 series."

http://www.tweaktown.com/computex2007/13/index.html

Ye right..lets use the powerhungry shaders to do a worse job (Higher CPu and power consumption) than a part specially designed for this task.

Very very unlikely.

What he might actually say if you remove the PR spin is: The R600 got/dont have UVD but it is broken/non present and will never work.

Remember Geforce6800? It had that purevideo already. It was just broken beyond repair.

[XeRo]

lol now I'm confused. We have Dave Baumann from AMD marketing(?) saying no UVD and now Dave Orton saying Yes UVD. so which one is it?

[Eastcoasthandle]

Now AMD's Dave Orton is saying that R600 has UVD:

"AMD's Dave Orton told the press that attended the Press Conference that the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT in deed does UVD, but due to the power full shader engine in the GPU, it is done in software rather than in hardware as is the case with the HD 2600 and HD 2400 series."

http://www.tweaktown.com/computex2007/13/index.html

Confused yet? So, are we talking unified or universal now?

[DilTech]

lol now I'm confused. We have Dave Baumann from AMD marketing(?) saying no UVD and now Dave Orton saying Yes UVD. so which one is it?

We also have their own website saying no UVD.

The fact that it's software doing it, and UVD is hardware based in nature, tells us that it doesn't have it but they're trying to help their partners avoid lawsuits.

[Nedjo]

God!! Is it really so difficult to comprehend!?

R600 is using it's shader processing power to do the taks that RV610/630 do trough dedicated part of silicon???
(quite similar to the solution that was applied for XBOX360)

And that task is know under marketing umbrella called UVD!!

So yes, R600 has UVD capabilities, but implemented in different fashion the in RV610/630!

Is it now more clear?

P.S

Dave Baumann is not a marketing guy or official AMD spokesperson!

[DilTech]

God!! Is it really so difficult to comprehend!?

R600 is using it's shader processing power to do the taks that RV610/630 do trough dedicated part of silicon???
(quite similar to the solution that was applied for XBOX360)

And that task is know under marketing umbrella called UVD!!

So yes, R600 has UVD capabilities, but implemented in different fashion the in RV610/630!

Is it now more clear?

P.S

Dave Baumann is not a marketing guy or official AMD spokesperson!

Dave Baumann IS an ATi employee...

[cadaveca]

God!! Is it really so difficult to comprehend!?

R600 is using it's shader processing power to do the taks that RV610/630 do trough dedicated part of silicon???
(quite similar to the solution that was applied for XBOX360)

And that task is know under marketing umbrella called UVD!!

So yes, R600 has UVD capabilities, but implemented in different fashion the in RV610/630!

Is it now more clear?

P.S

Dave Baumann is not a marketing guy or official AMD spokesperson!

If you want to say so, but here in my many systems I cannot get Blu-Ray decoding using anything other than cpu.


So whether you call it Universal Video Decode, or Unified Video Decode, there is neither currently working for BluRay content decoding on HD2900XT.

According to my support ticket, by ATI offical tech support, UVD is hardware decoding, and is present in 2900XT. Another more senior tech corrected the first tech to say that there was no UVD(again, from ATI offical employee) in HD2900XT, and then the next day i got a response indicating that a notice had been created on teh issue, as I have shown earlier.


I don't care aobut Dave Beaumann. I care about the products in my systems right now, and what I have gotten from "official" ATI employees both over the phone and in writing.

Notice that Sampsa has not posted that he has HD-DVD working properly yet either...it's not like this is simple configuration issue...this is hardware not functioning like it says on the box, not functioning like many review sites have posted, and many of ATi's own product pages have posted on them as well. They all say that this card supports decoding acceleration, whether it be hardware or software, and, unfortunately for myself and many others that have bought these cards, not one version of this "AVIVO HD" works.

Currently...there is no GPU-assisted HD decoding. I don't care who says what...that's the plain ol' facts.

[perkam]

ATI's flipping and flopping more on this than Kerry ever did on Vietnam or the War in Iraq.

I'll keep this up until end of Computex...so read up or ask away if you need info on this.

Ty for Sampsa for visiting frequently to answer queries.

lol they don't invite the oldies to Computex anymore eh? :p

Perkam

[Sampsa]

God!! Is it really so difficult to comprehend!?

R600 is using it's shader processing power to do the taks that RV610/630 do trough dedicated part of silicon???
(quite similar to the solution that was applied for XBOX360)

And that task is know under marketing umbrella called UVD!!

So yes, R600 has UVD capabilities, but implemented in different fashion the in RV610/630!

Is it now more clear?

P.S

Dave Baumann is not a marketing guy or official AMD spokesperson!

You say R600 is using it's shader processing power to do the tasks that RV610/630 do but obviously you haven't tested it yourself because currently it doesn't work.

[DeathReborn]

ATI's flipping and flopping more on this than Kerry ever did on Vietnam or the War in Iraq.

I'll keep this up until end of Computex...so read up or ask away if you need info on this.

Ty for Sampsa for visiting frequently to answer queries.

lol they don't invite the oldies to Computex anymore eh? :p

Perkam

Yup, just a few times...

AMD say UVD = Dedicated Silicon then it's not dedicated at all.
AMD says UVD is Unified but has slides saying Universal.
AMD says R600 has UVD, doesn't have UVD, does have UVD but only in software...

Perhaps AMD should just fire every single marketing & PR guy and hire someone that isn't the village idiot.

In my opinion R600 does not have the UVD they were once upon a time shouting from the rooftops but a mere shadow of it. Should they call it UVD, no. It should be called SVD (Shader Video Decoding).