Ordering panic! Need to decide, Aquaero or Mcubed!

[Brodholm]

Hello, I'm In a bit of panic! I'm ordering stuff soon, like tomorrow. And I need your help!

I cant decide if I should go Mcubed or Aquaero. And if it even is worth it to control the 2 ddc's

Choice #1: Use Mcubed's products and control the two ddc3.2's
Products needed: Mcubed BigNG, Sensorhub And? What extra should i get to have the two DDC3.2's? Maybe a MiniNG? or 2 Fanamps?

This also give me some safety if one of the pumps decide to die on me (automatic shutdown)

Choice #2: No control over pumps and just control the fans.
Products needed: Aquaero

They both have pros and cons.

Mcubed
+ Raw power.
+ A lot of addons .
+ Huge amount of sensors.
+ Digital sensors.
- Old software (but ill think they are working on updates. But how much?)
- Messy program.

Aquaero
+ Easy setup.
+ Good program and updated software.
+ Good Support from aquaero.
- Lacks in power output.
- Controling the pumps.

That are the ones I can come to think of...

My gut tells me to go with the aquaero but I really don't know

Edit:

I'm holding off on the buying any of the controllers since naekuh informed me about koolance new product!

[NaeKuh]

Choice #2: No control over pumps and just control the fans.
Products needed: Aquaero

bet you your fans will be louder then the pumps, so no keep the pumps on full all the time.

[ILikeCosmosS]

+1 naekuh

just get a mcubed if you got 10+ fans

[Brodholm]

I will have 3 Scythe S-flex (1200rpm) at each pa120.2 and then 2 other fans. But compared to a fan the DDCs are loud. But im making a petras gel stuff sandwich and I'm hoping it will kickass

The fans will mainly go at low speed like 800rpm or so. Ill control them after water temps. I want this system to be silent

But i get no safety if i don't have any monitoring.

[NaeKuh]

well ive been nagging dean for koolance's TMP-200.

Same thing as the BigNG.

:T

So theres one to make your list longer.

[Brodholm]

well ive been nagging dean for koolance's TMP-200.

Same thing as the BigNG.

:T

So theres one to make your list longer.

What is a TMP-200? If you could just briefly tell me what it does I would be very happy!

I really dont have time for all this, our currency "SEK" Swedish Krona. Have been very strong these last days and I'm afraid that it will drop before I have decided!

Edit: I have been searching around a bit but I cant seem to find much info about it. How much wattage it can handle and stuff like that. And if anyone have some information on this, please share it!

Edit Edit: I saw that the TMP-200 got released today! March 19!

[Jah]

I really dont have time for all this, our currency "SEK" Swedish Krona. Have been very strong these last days and I'm afraid that it will drop before I have decided!
Edit Edit: I saw that the TMP-200 got released today! March 19!

I would not worry about the SEK exchange rate, i think it will continue to get better but who knows.

If you feel worried the SEK will drop, just drop by the bank or Forex and get some €, $, £ or whatever gives you a buzz.

[generics_user]

well ive been nagging dean for koolance's TMP-200.

Same thing as the BigNG.

:T

So theres one to make your list longer.

just remember that the TMP-200 is a stupid piece of hardware compared to the bigng and aquaero, additionally the aquaero has th ebest fan controller software out there and once configured you can use it completely os-independent (big plus for linux + hackintosh fi you're into these systems)

bigng has some extra features, especially with the sensorhub + mining and allows you to control 2 pumps, 6 digital sensors, 10 analog and lots of fans but the software isn't on the same level

the koolance controller is really weak compared to the bigng and aquaero, mit may deliver more amps but it's quite easy to build channel amps

[gena]

does anyone know how much extra power (watts) these controllers add on the total? Given, let's say two DDC 3.2 and 5 fans are controlled.

[MpG]

The BigNG handles more power than the Aqua, but it's automated controls are flakey and kind of annoying to work with. If you just want it for undervolting, it works fine though. The Aqua's only good for 10-15W, iirc, while the BigNG is apparently rated for 25W, which is slightly better. But neither is suited for handling multiple pumps (DDC 3.2 = 18W), though, let alone fans as well. The Koolance unit actually looks really interesting, and seems to have much higher power handling capabilities.

Check out THIS THREAD if you're curious about the Koolance unit.

[headala]

Get the Aquaero. It has a wonderful balance of 'set and forget' and 'endless tinker'. Some will tell you that you need onboard temp sensing, but you don't. It doesn't matter. All you need is water temp sensing, and then adjust your fans for that automatically. The fans cool the water, not the cpu.

[theseeker]

Get the Aquaero. It has a wonderful balance of 'set and forget' and 'endless tinker'. Some will tell you that you need onboard temp sensing, but you don't. It doesn't matter. All you need is water temp sensing, and then adjust your fans for that automatically. The fans cool the water, not the cpu.

Definitely go with the Aquaero.

[gena]

The fans cool the water, not the cpu.

Ehh, I definately would like the fan/pump speed to be based on what is being cooled (cpu, gpu), rather than the medium (water).

[Dr.Joe]

Ehh, I definately would like the fan/pump speed to be based on what is being cooled (cpu, gpu), rather than the medium (water).

Naa, if the Heat from the CPU stays the same, the deltaT Water-Cores ist the same at 10° C Water or 40°C Water

@Brodholm: You wanted Silence, but still went with two DDC3.2?

Nevermind... As i own both the bigNG and the Aquaero, i would go with the Aquaero for the fans, and keep the pumps on 12V..

*First Post, yeah*

[Brodholm]

Naa, if the Heat from the CPU stays the same, the deltaT Water-Cores ist the same at 10° C Water or 40°C Water

@Brodholm: You wanted Silence, but still went with two DDC3.2?

Nevermind... As i own both the bigNG and the Aquaero, i would go with the Aquaero for the fans, and keep the pumps on 12V..

*First Post, yeah*

Yeah, I know...

I want silence and good performance. Thats why I'm thinking of slowing down the pumps. So I can get performance when I need it.

Thats why i thought that the TMS-200 should be perfrect. Although it has its downs to.

[shazza]

The Koolance TMP looks interesting. But, agree with headala's comments. With the aquaero, just plug a temp sensor into your water loop, and use the aquasuite software to set up a controll profile. Very easy to do.

[ILikeCosmosS]

i still choosing as well but having a micro proccessor is better then not having one hence, tmp-200
the thing people like about the tpm-200 is that it can control 2 d5s 2 unrestrive flow meters sensors and 6 fan channels

the bigNG and aquareo have micro proccesors which is better in detecting system failure then software based controllers(i am not sure if this true though)
i perfer bigNG simply because the output i can put on it
i have 4 channels rated at 20 watts and yateloon lows and mediums take about 4 watts each at max - so about 4-5 fans can go per channel so you can have up to 16-20fans
the aquareo lacks power output but has the best software

depending on your needs i would go more fans bigNG less fans aquareo + the display

[shazza]

Maybe I'm just losing my hearing, but I have 2 MCP355s and 1 MCP350 in my case, and I just plain don't hear them once the air has all been removed. I have to actually touch the bottoms of the pumps to verify they are running. It just seems much more logical and practical to control the fans, and not mess around with pump/flow.

[Brodholm]

Maybe I'm just losing my hearing, but I have 2 MCP355s and 1 MCP350 in my case, and I just plain don't hear them once the air has all been removed. I have to actually touch the bottoms of the pumps to verify they are running. It just seems much more logical and practical to control the fans, and not mess around with pump/flow.

Well, I had mine going for 1 day and there was no bubbles left in the loop but it makes a whining noise that is irritating. My ddc was louder than a Yate SL. And I think that the SL was quiet noisy. This was on a test bench though. The case does of course reduce some noise.

But even when i held the ddc in my hand it was noisy. But if i pinch the housing hard so less water get though it silences down. I have heard that some DDC3.2 makes a lot of noise when the don't have enough restriction.

If someone can answer me this I would be very happy.

Hot much does the water change in temperature if the cpu is at like 30C or 60C and how long does that usually take? Because I'm thinking of changing fan speeds after water temperature.

[fox3]

Ehh, I definately would like the fan/pump speed to be based on what is being cooled (cpu, gpu), rather than the medium (water).

Then I suggest you might consider aircooling, thats exactly how it works.

Hot much does the water change in temperature if the cpu is at like 30C or 60C and how long does that usually take? Because I'm thinking of changing fan speeds after water temperature.

I'll run Prime later and let you know my results but I have my fans set progressively to follow the RAD which I set to 25°C reference and 28°C MAX. This keeps the fans at ~ 600 - 800 rpm and a RES temp of ~23.6°C normally with 21.5°C ambients.

[fox3]

Hot much does the water change in temperature if the cpu is at like 30C or 60C and how long does that usually take? Because

Ok I ran Prime95 64bit for just over an hour. Start temps:
CPU cores 35,35,33,29 ( I needs to calibrate that last core )
Ambient 21.5°C
RAD 24.0°C
RES 23.5°C
Fan ch_1 800 rpm 6.1v, 50%
Fan ch_2 800 rpm

The temps went up quickly and w/ in ~ 5 minutes settled down after one hour the temps were:
CPU cores 58,58,56,53 ( I needs to calibrate that last core )
Ambient 21.8°C
RAD 25.7°C
RES 24.9°C
Fan ch_1 1254 rpm 9.8v, 80%
Fan ch_2 1260 rpm

(4)S-Flex F, feser 480, low flow loop with NB/ SB (3) mosfets and CPU block

5 minutes after I stopped Prime the water temps were back to where I started. I took a screen dump of the aquasuite showing the sensors and Real Temp and have a printout of the aquasuite analyze log data showing water in/ out and fan channels. I can post them or PM them if you wants.

[BDW88]

I agree with Shazza why mess around with the pumps, I can't hear my DDC 3.2's either I might be going deaf as well..

[headala]

I have two other comments:

1) are you SURE that you can change the RPM/noise of a DDC in real time? I think I remember something a while back about it being built for industrial use and intentionally resistant to voltage fluctuations. Maybe that was BS, but it's worth testing with a fan controller before you go all out...

2) if you want more power out of the Aquaero, you can use a FanAmp I believe.
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