[RUMOR] zambezi a.k.a am3 bulldozer for sale december 2010!!!

[Sn0wm@n]

http://tech.icrontic.com/articles/wh...on-processors/

You might be surprised to learn that AMD is just seven months away from releasing new CPUs based on not one, but three, new designs. The Phenom II that we have known for the past 17 months will soon be put to pasture, never to be seen again. Its replacements are built for the server, the desktop, the notebook and the netbook.

Dubbed Bulldozer, Bobcat and Llano, the new processor designs are the final piece of AMD’s grand strategy to emerge from years of debt and struggle as a leaner, meaner company. For enthusiasts, they are something altogether more important: a clear sign that the fascinating war between AMD and Intel is about to go nuclear once again.

[tool_462]

Woot

Article writer is really an AMD fan though isn't he?

Probably get myself a new complete system when Zambezi drops, be cool to have an 8 core desktop to play with.

Any rumors of clockspeeds for Zambezi?

[BeepBeep2]

Thats impossible unless they are on a 45nm process...they can't ramp up production that quickly...

[Oliverda]

Thats impossible unless they are on a 45nm process...they can't ramp up production that quickly...

Impossible is nothing.

[slaveondope]

2011 is going to be interesting

[Sn0wm@n]

Thats impossible unless they are on a 45nm process...they can't ramp up production that quickly...

wasnt 32nm process taped out about 2 or 3 months ago ??? so 7 months later would be the good time for low availability launch and decent availability by january .....

[Helmore]

Maybe it's just me, but in opinion that article is just rubbish. I thought his analogy with a car manufacturing plant was a little wrong and it seems like the author himself does not really understand the subject that he's trying to explain to others.

[madcho]

We all know launch is for Q1 for months, but it's a good suprise that they will able to send it to press at least before december.

And 32nm ramp will be faster than 65nm and 45nm. Why ?

Easy to understand, Actual fab in dresden was build with 3 nodes techs process. 65/45/32. Like all fabs evrything can work in the last process, but need a lot of work, test and groping. AMD's fab are the best in groping.

All this fab is fully automated. No human move wafers like in intel fabs and other fabs. All system are set up to grop new process, with very little change. If the change increase a bit yield, all the fabs of AMD are updated to the new process in less 24h.

65nm was very crapy process. Was a huge problem for AMD. When they fixed up the 65nm, the 45nm goes well, Phenom II eat less power, and can clock a lot better. It was just a "starting new hardware" problem. Now they don't have so much problem to change the process to a smaller one, that this hardware was set for.

After it's gonna be same problem with 65nm, the new hardware for beyond 32nm will be set for 11nm or something else. the first process will be crapy if they don't have some luck.

But 32nm is here, new architecture is coming, BD cores are prety insane on paper, I hope AMD is gonna take revenge on core 2.

I see old P6 architecture and K7 fight with core 2 and Athlon fights. They are their grand fathers parts, and we all know who won that fight. I hope AMD got enough money in R&D to send us a new monster.

[Hans de Vries]

http://tech.icrontic.com/articles/wh...on-processors/

The author just uses the AMD guidance that the processors are to
be launched in 2011, nothing more.

He notices that 2011 is just 7 months away which is translated by
you in December 2010. Your math: Now + 7 months = Dec 2010 is
correct, ok, but the author somehow misses that "2011" is not
necessary the 1st of January 2011.


Regards, Hans

[informal]

Even though he may be wrong with the launch date for any of the 3 designs,it looks like he indeed talked to some engineers and managers as can be seen in the last paragraph from the last page.

[fbmbirds]

i cant wait. my first amd chip was the fx-60 and ive been rocking that since 06 and i just got a X2 its nice ordered a X6 cant wait for that. ill be in line when the bulldozer comes a plowin

[Helmore]

We all know launch is for Q1 for months, but it's a good suprise that they will able to send it to press at least before december.
*snip*

Only you apparently know that Zambezi will launch in Q1 of 2011. The only thing that AMD has said about Zambezi was that it will launch in 2011, which could also mean Q3 of 2011 for example. As for the rest of your comment, I don't believe that those fabs work in the way you're saying.

[Mats]

Nothing spectacular, AMD said their 32 nm was 3 months behind Intel, so I'm not surprised if it will end up like 10 months.
Zambezi must be the single biggest step ever taken by AMD, right? Not talking performance since I don't know anything about it.

I've never heard of that URL before tho, and I read the title as a combination of Irony and Chronic. . lol.

[fbmbirds]

also what does it mean for the cpu with build in gpu? smaller computers. like netbooks but smaller?

[Mechromancer]

This is a big problem for me. I mean, how can AMD make our decisions so hard?!!!! Should I buy an X6 now or wait? I have an AM2+ mobo, use an AM3 CPU in it, later get an AM3+ mobo, and then get a Zambezi/Orochi (mid 2011 timeframe). If I get an X6 now and build an entirely new Bulldozer rig in December, I'll just have too much damn processing power sitting idle.

[zanzabar]

also what does it mean for the cpu with build in gpu? smaller computers. like netbooks but smaller?

it would be like the intel 1156 that has the IGP on the cpu pad, but since its a real gpu built on a i would expect a much better product.

and its to bad that amd cant stick to soi, i dont want hotter ruining parts that degrade faster

[informal]

Zanzabar,Llano IS 32nm SOI highk/mg design(so is BD).

[Helmore]

and its to bad that amd cant stick to soi, i dont want hotter ruining parts that degrade faster

But they are sticking with SOI, Llano is on their 32 nm SOI HKMG process for example.

EDIT: I'm too slow .

This is a big problem for me. I mean, how can AMD make our decisions so hard?!!!! Should I buy an X6 now or wait? I have an AM2+ mobo, use an AM3 CPU in it, later get an AM3+ mobo, and then get a Zambezi/Orochi (mid 2011 timeframe). If I get an X6 now and build an entirely new Bulldozer rig in December, I'll just have too much damn processing power sitting idle.

I'd say that if your current setup still works then continue on using that until Bulldozer is here. Much cheaper

[Mats]

I'd say that if your current setup still works then continue on using that until Bulldozer is here. Much cheaper

+1
Going from a 940 to a 1055 isn't that much of an improvement, unless you
KNOW you need six cores, and if you do need it then you would have bought it already.

[zir_blazer]

At the last page of that article...

Llano

Family: Stars (Athlon II)
Cores: 4
Process: 32nm
Socket: C32
Onboard GPU?: Yes
Platform: Brazos
Role: Mainstream notebook, mainstream desktop
Launch date: 2011

Socket C32? That Socket is supposed to be for the yet to be released Opterons based on Lisbon (An slighty improved Istanbul), I don't think that AMD (Or non-overclocking friendly JF-AMD for that matter) would allow their budget and mainstream Desktop platforms to be in the same Sockets than the medium size Servers. A "New Socket" or "Socket FM1" could have suited that article better instead of wronly mentioning Socket C32.

Common sense tells us that Llano should arrive early than Bulldozer, I actually think that it could arrive even before than 2011. It makes a lot of sense that AMD debuts 32nm production with Llano because is mostly a shrink of things that we already know how they work, so they can refine the process before introducing Bulldozer, in the same way of current Intel Roadmaps strategies of "Shrink, New Architecture, Shrink, New Architecture". Bulldozer arriving before Llano makes little to no sense if you consider that.

[Mats]

Socket C32?

Not only that, but they also claim it will be used for notebooks...

So yeah they're just ironic people on chronic = icrontic people!

[zir_blazer]

Not only that, but they also claim it will be used for notebooks...

So yeah they're just ironic people on chronic = icrontic people!

Llano is supposed to be used on two different Sockets, Socket FS1 (Was on AMD Notebook Roadmaps 2 or 3 years ago), and a new Socket preeventively named FM1 for Desktop. But the C32 statement seems to be totally flawed at best.

[TurboDiv]

This is a big problem for me. I mean, how can AMD make our decisions so hard?!!!!

Hahaha, I was just getting happy about this since i didn't move to X6 ! Looks like im waiting !!!

[Mats]

Llano is supposed to be used on two different Sockets, Socket FS1 (Was on AMD Notebook Roadmaps 2 or 3 years ago), and a new Socket preeventively named FM1 for Desktop. But the C32 statement seems to be totally flawed at best.

Yes I know.

I was referring to your quote from the article, not the real world.

Llano

Family: Stars (Athlon II)
Cores: 4
Process: 32nm
Socket: C32
Onboard GPU?: Yes
Platform: Brazos
Role: Mainstream notebook, mainstream desktop
Launch date: 2011

[ridney]

exciting times ahead for amd and its fanboys can't wait for this to come out