GF100 will be fastest GPU, Dual GPU Fermi is coming!

[skugpezz]

Donanimhaber.com talked with Luciano Alibrandi which is Director of PR at Nvidia. According to site, Alibrandi claims that Fermi based GPU (GF100) will be fastest GPU solution in the industry. There is still no spesific launch date of Fermi on the table but Alibrandi indicates CES 2010 to launch new generation technologies from Nvidia.

http://vr-zone.com/forums/519373/gf1...s-coming-.html

[tajoh111]

If the performance is really good and it is as revolutionary as they imply, I know this might not be called for, but I hope they change the naming of this series entirely.

E.g no more gtx 3xx because there is already cards like that on the market that share very little in common with these new directx 11 cards.

This new series really needs to start on fresh ground and would represent an image change for the company, to show they are done with renaming(I know, I know).

Anything that based on g92-g80 or g200 will stay in the gtx xxx nameset.

Heck maybe even abandon the geforce moniker.

[skugpezz]

IMO this is PR at its best. whenever guru or someoe gets a hold of one and show benches then I will make a comment.

[ryan92084]

They were the fastest last time too. The real question is will they be able to price competitively this time around.

[FischOderAal]

Oh no, someone from NVIDIA (even worse, their director of PR) said GF100 will be teh fastest GPU, how surprising. I don't doubt GF100 will be faster than RV870, I just wonder why this is supposed to be news to any of us?

If the performance is really good and it is as revolutionary as they imply, I know this might not be called for, but I hope they change the naming of this series entirely.

Yeah right xD If they did that they'd just add another shipload of failure to their ocean full of fail they already have

This naming scheme was "quite" recently introduced to make things easier and they renamed one card to the 300-series. If they'd put Fermi into a new naming scheme this renamed card would be all lonely and start to cry (and noone wants to call the whambulance).

[RaZz!]

sounds good. now let's hope it's true and fermi will be released soon - at a reasonable price ofc

[takamishanoku]

What else would the head of PR of nvidia say? If it was faster I would have expected a leak by now. In any case they are basing this on the 5800 series. By the time nvidia do release their card ati will have something else.

[skugpezz]

What else would the head of PR of nvidia say? If it was faster I would have expected a leak by now.

Maybe they are eying the 5890

[zalbard]

It would be a complete failure if it wasn't faster than 5870, so no news here, really...
And a dual GPU solution? Will be tricky, and unlikely to come out any time soon IMO.

[safan80]

What else would the head of PR of nvidia say? If it was faster I would have expected a leak by now.

Agreed! they are too late for me (who bought 2 5970s already). I have to put my new system together before i can used both of them though. The only compliant I have about the drivers is powerplay does not work. That happened with the 4870x2 as well at launch. With a single 5970 I'm seeing frame rates at 2560x1600 I've never seen before, so I am one happy customer! Oh yeah opengl is working nicely! I haven't even overclocked the card either!

[G0ldBr1ck]

Alibrandi claims that Fermi based GPU (GF100) will be fastest GPU solution (for what?) in the industry

This statement could mean many things.

[skugpezz]

It would be a complete failure if it wasn't faster than 5870, so no news here, really...
And a dual GPU solution? Will be tricky, and unlikely to come out any time soon IMO.

It would be a failure for a gpu to be released 1/2 later than the competition, and it isnt faster. Like the hd 2900

Agreed! they are too late for me (who bought 2 5970s already). I have to put my new system together before i can used both of them though. The only compliant I have about the drivers is powerplay does not work. That happened with the 4870x2 as well at launch. With a single 5970 I'm seeing frame rates at 2560x1600 I've never seen before, so I am one happy customer! Oh yeah opengl is working nicely! I haven't even overclocked the card either!

Show off

[zerazax]

D

This naming scheme was "quite" recently introduced to make things easier

Of course, they went ahead and made it more complicated

I mean GTX 280 and GTX 260 made sense, as did the refreshe GTX 285...

But then they decided, hey let's add a GTX 260 Core 216

Then lets go ahead and make a GTS 250, GT 240, GT 220, G210, etc.

Shoulda just stuck with the numbers meaning one thing entirely, rather than changing the alphabets in front as well

[eric66]

uhmm they better be faster coming from 6 month behind you don't have any other option imho

[initialised]

C'MON lets see them squash 2x5970! Bring it on!

[rouvio]

The Geforce 8800GT was the last nVidia product I will ever buy - and even that was when the card was fresh/
They've been acting "weird" (to say the least) in the past several months to half a year. They made a joke out of themselves.
There is no reason to believe them now. Re-branding, renaming, showing fake cards..

nVidia - "the way it is meant to be played". pffffff..

[Serpentarius]

every thread arises from this "Fermi" is going to shove Nvidia higher up the wall, for if this is a plan for Nvidia to reel the curiosity of the users, it's gonna backfire if Nvidia is unable to deliver something worth the wait

[safan80]

every thread arises from this "Fermi" is going to shove Nvidia higher up the wall, for if this is a plan for Nvidia to reel the curiosity of the users, it's gonna backfire if Nvidia is unable to deliver something worth the wait

It's already is not worth the wait. How many refreshes have they done lately? Anybody who is smart will get an ATI card this time around and wait for a Fermi refresh. Nvidia's attitude has been annoying lately: no Dx 10.1 support and no Dx11 support. The only thing Nvidia has done lately was the G80 and that was back in 06. It's been 3 years and Fermi is late and I would be shocked if they could release for sale by the end of January.

[tajoh111]

It's already is not worth the wait. How many refreshes have they done lately? Anybody who is smart will get an ATI card this time around and wait for a Fermi refresh. Nvidia's attitude has been annoying lately: no Dx 10.1 support and no Dx11 support. The only thing Nvidia has done lately was the G80 and that was back in 06. It's been 3 years and Fermi is late and I would be shocked if they could release for sale by the end of January.

I think anyone smart will wait for fermi anyways and just wait to see what both cards offer. Likely at this point, quantities will be better for AMD cards and prices better.

I could understand if there was some crazy directx 11 games or you had a directx 9 card. But stefan, didn't you have GTX 285 SLI or a gtx 295 or something?

I guess this is why it is xtremesystems but to say smart people should buy an ATI card for this generation and not wait for fermi when waiting will only save them money(which is a certainty) and possibly get them a faster card just doesn't make sense.

Maybe I misunderstood you and a person should not by a fermi based on what NV has done. That not a matter of being smart, but a matter of principals and emotions which is not the same. Frankly, I would rather be pragmatic and buy what is the fastest and also the best value regardless of the brand. I think this is the smartest course of action.

Also if you just had crazy cash and just wanted to buy a piece of hardware, I would have purchased another monitor I were you. Either more 30" or 2 24 to flank your current monitor.

[Carfax]

It's already is not worth the wait. How many refreshes have they done lately? Anybody who is smart will get an ATI card this time around and wait for a Fermi refresh. Nvidia's attitude has been annoying lately: no Dx 10.1 support and no Dx11 support. The only thing Nvidia has done lately was the G80 and that was back in 06. It's been 3 years and Fermi is late and I would be shocked if they could release for sale by the end of January.

I'm kind of wrestling with the idea of buying an HD 5870 at the moment, after getting tired of waiting for the GTX 380.. I had one in the cart at Newegg the other day, but I cancelled it at the last minute.

When I think about it, I don't really need it. My GTX 285 plays all the games I have at 2560x1600 perfectly, with the exception of Crysis but I don't even have that installed. Even upcoming games like Mass Effect 2 should play well on the GTX 285..

The consolization of games has meant that video cards can be in service for much longer before the need to upgrade arises.

[skugpezz]

I think anyone smart will wait for fermi anyways and just wait to see what both cards offer. Likely at this point, quantities will be better for AMD cards and prices better.

I could understand if there was some crazy directx 11 games or you had a directx 9 card. But stefan, didn't you have GTX 285 SLI or a gtx 295 or something?

I guess this is why it is xtremesystems but to say smart people should buy an ATI card for this generation and not wait for fermi when waiting will only save them money(which is a certainty) and possibly get them a faster card just doesn't make sense.

Maybe I misunderstood you and a person should not by a fermi based on what NV has done. That not a matter of being smart, but a matter of principals and emotions which is not the same. Frankly, I would rather be pragmatic and buy what is the fastest and also the best value regardless of the brand. I think this is the smartest course of action.

maybe I am not smart, but 6 months is too long for me to wait for a card seeing that i change cards every 4 - 5months . By then I will be wanting to wait for 6000 series.

[Vit^pr0n]

I'm kind of wrestling with the idea of buying an HD 5870 at the moment, after getting tired of waiting for the GTX 380.. I had one in the cart at Newegg the other day, but I cancelled it at the last minute.

When I think about it, I don't really need it. My GTX 285 plays all the games I have at 2560x1600 perfectly, with the exception of Crysis but I don't even have that installed. Even upcoming games like Mass Effect 2 should play well on the GTX 285..

The consolization of games has meant that video cards can be in service for much longer before the need to upgrade arises.

This is true. However, next year we will have a reason to get a DX11 card. For me, it's BF:BC2 and its DX11 goodness. For others it's AvP.

One thing's for sure.. if those 2 games mentioned did not have DX11, I would still keep my GTX260 without worries of upgrading.

[kadozer]

I think anyone smart will wait for fermi anyways and just wait to see what both cards offer. Likely at this point, quantities will be better for AMD cards and prices better.

I could understand if there was some crazy directx 11 games or you had a directx 9 card. But stefan, didn't you have GTX 285 SLI or a gtx 295 or something?

I guess this is why it is xtremesystems but to say smart people should buy an ATI card for this generation and not wait for fermi when waiting will only save them money(which is a certainty) and possibly get them a faster card just doesn't make sense.

Maybe I misunderstood you and a person should not by a fermi based on what NV has done. That not a matter of being smart, but a matter of principals and emotions which is not the same. Frankly, I would rather be pragmatic and buy what is the fastest and also the best value regardless of the brand. I think this is the smartest course of action.

How much is 3-4 months of your gaming life worth? For people in the market just smart to buy now. Only time worth waiting is 1 month or less.


Here's a scenario for 2 gamers. First gamer bought 5870 on release. 2nd guy waited till Fermi. Even at the most optimal best case scenario of 30% faster Fermi to 5870 the second guy will most likely pay a little more but here's the real kicker: The first guy got to play on the fastest single gpu, few DX11 games, and also had an option to use Eyeinfinity all 4+ months while 2nd guy who waited was stuck with old tech.

By that time first gamer will then have option to offload his now 4+ month old video card and get either the Fermi or AMD refresh. Its a no brainer ...Welcome to XtremeSystems.

[tajoh111]

maybe I am not smart, but 6 months is too long for me to wait for a card seeing that i change cards every 4 - 5months . By then I will be wanting to wait for 6000 series.

It honestly depends on what card you had before this generation.

What card did you have?

Fermi not going to have much on the low end initially, so going 5770 can make sense since the wait is going to be longer, and from your choice of the 5770, your not buying ultra high end and its likely you had something slower than a 4870. So there might be tangible notices in games aside from crysis.

If you did have a 4870 or 4890 or a gtx 260-285, that would be a poor poor upgrade and a waste of money.

If you had something like a 3870 or even a 8800gt, I can understand the upgrade.

How much is 3-4 months of your gaming life worth? For people in the market just smart to buy now. Only time worth waiting is 1 month or less.


Here's a scenario for 2 gamers. First gamer bought 5870 on release. 2nd guy waited till Fermi. Even at the most optimal best case scenario of 30% faster Fermi to 5870 the second guy will most likely pay a little more but here's the real kicker: The first guy got to play on the fastest single gpu, few DX11 games, and also had an option to use Eyeinfinity all 4+ months while 2nd guy who waited was stuck with old tech.

By that time first gamer will then have option to offload his now 4+ month old video card and get either the Fermi or AMD refresh. Its a no brainer ...Welcome to XtremeSystems.

I think it always a poor decision to buy at scalped prices, that simply throwing money away and falling victim to the hype.

Its kind of a elitist thing to say you were able to enjoy 16x AA and 16x AF instead of 8x AA and 16x AF. Direct x11, its irrelevant at the moment until more games came out and if dirt2 is any indication, game programmed specifically to take advantage of directx 11 might be to slow to run on max settings.

This is not CPU, where time is money, so it not an investment, this is gaming.

What benchzowner has hinted at, people wanting to play alien vs predator on high settings are going to be in for a shocker with cypress and directx 11. Considering dirt2 runs at 48 FPS at 1920*1200 with 4aa and 16 af, it might be smart to wait for a faster card.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,7...ults/Practice/

What happens if the 5870 is too slow for future directx 11 games? If there was games to really take advantage of directx 11 and the games that need speed beyond SLI gtx 285(aside from crysis), I could understand kadozer, but there isn't really any.

Building on my original argument, what if someone buying a fermi is better set for the longterm(instead of the short term benefit in your scenario(and the little benefit at that)), so instead of waiting a bit, the person who is bought a 5870, is stuck with a might be too slow for the future, or not offer the best visual possible on future titles.

I think a smarter thing for stefan to say ignoring emotion on stefan part is this. Smart people will buy fermi or wait for the 5890 or r8xx refresh. That way, people buy a product that is price in a market that has competition and by that time, more directx 11 titles will be out. In addition, someone doing the above is likely to enjoy much longer term benefits than short term benefits involving crysis(depending on the hardware they had before) and a couple of directx 11 titles.

The direct x11 speed of dirt 2 should be frightening to 5870 owners.

[safan80]

Maybe I misunderstood you and a person should not by a fermi based on what NV has done. That not a matter of being smart, but a matter of principals and emotions which is not the same. Frankly, I would rather be pragmatic and buy what is the fastest and also the best value regardless of the brand. I think this is the smartest course of action.

So your going to wait 6 months while the 5xxx series is out now? ATI has the fastest card and best value at the moment. Nvidia has not released a new high end product for a year already. I would rather play games than wait for Nvidia's Fermi. Cmon they had to go as far as making a mock up of a card that does not even exist. Ever since that moment I've had my doubts about nvidia's Fermi. Nvidia's drivers have also been suffering there's issues at my res( video playback issues) that did not exist 4 months ago, and also they've managed to remove support for a bunch of game. You can sit around for a fat pig to do something, but he's only going to get fatter.