Xtreme Twinmos Memory!

[easypanic]

What volts are you giving to them??

Went from 2.8 up to 3.7V , no difference .

[easypanic]

Just to know, these chips don't even have the metal dots either.
It are rebabled mushkin chips, really wondering what they were before....

[HousERaT]

I believe the mushkin blue chips are now very much binned... Perhaps the Muskin Blue chips are the throw-away stuff that can't make the Redline specs. I don't think anyone is getting the clocks with Blue that people were getting when they first came out.

[omga14]

well i just ordered 2 sticks of TMSP PC3200's. i see that alot of people are posting results with the nforce4 mobo's. i'll see what i can do with this dfi ut 250gb i have. hope i can get similar clocks. having the ocz powerstream helps some wish me luck.

[ridikolous]

well i just ordered 2 sticks of TMSP PC3200's. i see that alot of people are posting results with the nforce4 mobo's. i'll see what i can do with this dfi ut 250gb i have. hope i can get similar clocks. having the ocz powerstream helps some wish me luck.

my setup is almost as similar to urs im using twinmos sp 3200 512x2 right now on a nf3 250.... max oc i was able to push was 260mhz at 1.5 2 2 5.. but urs might be different and might be able to push it further... GoOdLUck!

[[XC] 4X4N]

Just got my rma of twinmoss from newegg yesterday. I had 2x512 AA4T ch-5. It ran 260 2-2-2-6@3.5v. until 1 stick completely died and the other would only show as 256. Anyway both new sticks are 1A4T bh-5. Tested them separately in single channel. 1 will do 230 2-2-2-6 the other will do 235 2-2-2-6 Only went to 3.2v Still not sure about using the 5v jumper again. I'm a little dissapointed with these. My old sticks both went past 240 at 3.2v. Not sure if these will end up being as good as my old ch-5. Before anyone asks, I have always had 2 80mm fans blowing on the ram.

[Garrett]

I'm afraid you got sticks that are worse, meaning 260 can't be reached

[hovo73]

OK, here are the preliminary results with those PC3200 TMSP BH-5 sticks. I can't push them really hard right now because I have switched to 3.3V line on my DFI (all that talk about alleged voltage spikes and the board killing RAM had me scared) so basically I have up to only 3.15V stable VDIMM.

Winchester 3000+ (0444 I think)
DFI NF4 Ultra-D, 510-2 BIOS, using Orange DIMMs for now.
TwinMOS TMSP400, 1A4T, 44D, BH-5/UTT
MyGenie DRAM timings:
2-2-2-8-1T-07-11-3-2-2-3-3120-1-Enable
Increase-200-Level 7-Level 3-7-Fast-5.0-016-Disable-16x-7x-Disable

First impression, I used to have CH-5/UTT versions of these same sticks, and the BH-5 ones seem to be able to hold 2-2-2-x timings with a lot less voltage. I had no problem using these new ones with 2-2-2-x at 200MHz with only 2.7V (even tried it on NF2 platform), the other ones needed about 3.0V to 3.1V to do that.

Stick 1:
2.70V .... 200Mhz .... Memtest 25 min pass
2.70V .... 210Mhz .... Memtest 25 min pass
2.70V .... 220MHz .... Fail
2.80V .... 220Mhz .... Memtest 20 min pass
2.80V .... 230Mhz .... Fail (freeze)
2.90V .... 230Mhz .... Memtest 20 min pass
2.90V .... 240Mhz .... Fail (freeze)
3.00V .... 240Mhz .... Fail (3 ers)
3.10V .... 240Mhz .... Fail (1 er)
3.10V .... 238Mhz .... Memtest 6+ hrs pass, Prime95 Custom Blend 11+ hrs pass

Stick 2:
2.70V .... 200Mhz .... Memtest 25 min pass
2.70V .... 210Mhz .... Memtest 25 min pass
2.70V .... 220MHz .... Fail
2.80V .... 220Mhz .... Memtest 75 min pass
2.80V .... 230Mhz .... Fail
2.90V .... 230Mhz .... Memtest 25 min pass
2.90V .... 240Mhz .... Fail
3.00V .... 240Mhz .... Fail
3.10V .... 240Mhz .... Fail
3.10V .... 238Mhz .... Fail
3.10V .... 235Mhz .... Fail
3.00V .... 235Mhz .... Fail
2.90V .... 235Mhz .... Fail
2.90V .... 230MHz .... Memtest 30 min pass, Prime Custom Blend 2 hrs+ (still running)

There you have it. I have had some problems with Stick 2 in the beginning. It wouldn't go any higher than 220 MHz. Raising voltage wasn't helping, actually it was making it worse. I was bewildered. I decided that I have a bad stick, so I moved on to testing Stick 1, and that one did excellent. The next day I went back to Stick 1, and now it passed 220 and 230, but no matter what I did it couldn't pass 235. Again, raising voltage from 2.9 to 3.0 and 3.1 didn't help move it up as little as 5Mhz. I might have to play with TREF, Drive Strength and Data Drive Strength values, as well as try Yellow slots to see if they make any difference. I am also planning to go to 5V line again (the RAM alleged RAM killing thing seems to have settled) and see how they scale with 3.2+ VDIMM.

[omga14]

my setup is almost as similar to urs im using twinmos sp 3200 512x2 right now on a nf3 250.... max oc i was able to push was 260mhz at 1.5 2 2 5.. but urs might be different and might be able to push it further... GoOdLUck!

what voltage where you using and are yours the ch-5 utt's or the bh-5's? i heard that the sticks coming out of the california wharehouse are the bh-5's(1a4t's). i hope that i get the ch-5's instead by chance as i've heard that they are perfoming better thand the bh-5's lately. maybe the bh-5's just need more burn in time? oh well i should see these by saturday at least.

[gundamit]

OK, here are the preliminary results with those PC3200 TMSP BH-5 sticks.

Thanks for your detailed report. Just wondering what weeks your sticks were made. I just got another pair of pair of TMSP BH-UTT and the weeks matches the first pair i got "0509". The serial numbers on all four sticks are within 210 units of each other so I'm hopeful they'll all match up well for the 4x512 set-up I'm going to test on Saturday. First pair came from NewEgg east coast, second pair from west coast.

[HousERaT]

o.k. hovo73 give um 3.2v..... Mine arrive today so I'm hoping for 1A4T sticks..... I'll be able to throw 3.3v at them with my J17 mod. Once the 5v mess gets straigtened out I'll switch back, as I don't want to lose any of my ram......

[playah]

As far as I'm aware;

OCZ VX: = binned CH
OCZ VX Gold = binned BH
OCZ VX value = unbinned CH
Mushkin Blue = unbinned BH
Mushkin Redline = binned BH

EDIT: spelling

I've seen other reports that Mushkin Redline is UTT/CH5

http://www.techpowerup.com/memdb/

[hovo73]

Update:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...495#post892495

2-2-2-8-1T-09-15-3-3-2-3-3120-A-E-A-000-5-2-7-F-5.0-016-D-16x-7x-D

Stick 1:
3.2 V ...... 245 MHz ...... Memtest 25 min pass
3.2 V ...... 250 MHz ...... Fail
3.3 V ...... 250 MHz ...... Fail
(tried all kind of timing changes: TREF, Drive Strength, Data Drive Strength etc, can't get it stable at 250 MHz with 3.3, so I decided to burn-in at 3.2V and 245, see if that will make any difference. I will try higher VDIMM later.)
3.2 V ...... 245 MHz ...... Burning-in (1.5 hours so far)

Stick 2:
This one I think is bad, it is very temperemental. I am getting errors with it in Memtests tests 2 and 3 (and of course in 5 and 8), but somehow it ran P95 Blend with no errors for 12 hours once (haven't tried again). But it keeps failing SuperPi. On the first day I was able to get it error free at 230 MHz and 2.9V, but now it errors even with at 210 MHz. Once again I have tried all kind of voltage, and timing combinations. Right now I put that one aside, I will try it again later.

gundamit, how can I tell the week?

PS. I also got a set of OCZ EL Gold BH-5 and have been playing with them as well (more about that later). From all the UTTs I have owned I have to say that the best set was the very first non-Speed Premium UTT/CH-5 ones. Both stick went up to 264-265 MHz out of the box with 3.4V. Too bad they died.

[smids]

TwinMOS SP3200 44B chips on Hsien Jinn PCB. 05094 BH5 1A4T.

I've just got myself 2 sticks of TwinMOS SP3200. I must say I'm pretty happy so far. It's running memtest all night @ 240mhz 2-2-2-5 1T @ 3.18V. It ran 40 passes of test 5 before it completed 26 passes of the entire memtest. 0 errors in test 5 from the 40 passes, 119 errors in 7.5 hours of the entire test however these errors all came in pass 5 of 26 and no errors have been recorded since so maybe it's burned in a bit now. I have a 120mm 2500rpm ~32dBa fan blowing right on them so cooling is no problem. All this has been done with only changing the CAS, TRCD, TRP and TRAS. All other settings on my Ultra-D are default/auto so with some tweaking I know I can get rid of those errors even if they do reoccur.

[gundamit]

gundamit, how can I tell the week?

They're printed on the memory chips. They'll have 05 (year) followed by the week number.

My burn-in on all four sticks is headed in the right direction. Hoping for a slightly better OC on these sticks.

[xenolith]

I've seen other reports that Mushkin Redline is UTT/CH5

http://www.techpowerup.com/memdb/

Some say CH, some say BH. "People in the know" here @ XS say they're UTT-BH. Officially, Mushkin is being very tight lipped about it... but who really cares as long as they're blistering fast, which they are...

[hovo73]

OK, the printed dates are:

Stick 1: 05134
Stick 2: 05094

So they are weeks 13 and 09 of 2005. What does the last number (4) mean?

gundamit, why do you have 2-3-3-6 timings?

[xenolith]

I believe the 4 at the end means which Winbond fab made the chip.

[omga14]

i was wondering why gundamit was running 2-3-3-6 for burn in myself. i thought it was 2-2-2-5 for burning in.

[HousERaT]

They're printed on the memory chips. They'll have 05 (year) followed by the week number.

My burn-in on all four sticks is headed in the right direction. Hoping for a slightly better OC on these sticks.

Let us know how high they go after burn-in...... a before and after would be nice.... Mine only do 244 2-2-2-5 3.3v stable in memtest. Haven't done any burn in yet.

[gundamit]

Let us know how high they go after burn-in...... a before and after would be nice.... Mine only do 244 2-2-2-5 3.3v stable in memtest. Haven't done any burn in yet.

Here's an update. Pretty sure 4x512 can't get as high as just two sticks but I'll keep pushing slowly

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If you want to check out my 2x1024 test they are here.

[gundamit]

gundamit, why do you have 2-3-3-6 timings?

4x512 is already a huge load on the memory controller, so I'm letting it auto-detect the timings (except CAS 2) and see how high I can run it up before making an attempt at tightening the timings.

[smids]

My Week 09, 05 44B 1A4T chips are doing really well. 2x512mb TwinMOS SP 3200.

Currently memtest stable @ 250mhz 2-2-2-5 1T 3.28V

Here's a mini recap of how they've scaled so far (without burn-in I must add - only had these sticks running for 1 day doing various tests of frequency). Not bad for £74 for 1GB:

All at 2-2-2-5 1T:

2.8V 200mhz
2.85v 205mhz
2.9V 210mhz
I then jumped to 3.2v (max before jumper change because I was bored :p)
3.2v 230mhz
3.2V 235mhz
3.2v 240mhz
3.3v 245mhz
3.3v 250mhz

Havent gone any further yet as I just haven't been bothered. Might try CAS1.5 though @ 250mhz.

[Crazykooter]

I have my AA4T @ 250 2-3-2-5 3.24v right now and it seems to be stable. I am tryin to stay off the high voltage till the cold boot issue is resolved. I can and have run 265 2-3-2-5 @3.4v 100%. So it isnt bad memory but if I try for 270 with those timings and voltage it doesnt like it but will boot to windows just wont memtest or Spi.

[Family man 72]

Got two individual Twinmos SP3500 512MB sticks. They are week 14 05 44B 1A4T. After some burning in they do 3D, memtest and SPI stable 245MHz 2-2-2-5-1T 3.3V. And this is on voltmodded Epox 9NDA3+.
Here are the settings: