Good news, nf4 may support agp!

[Geforce4ti4200]

nF4 SLI - supports SATA 2, 2 x PCI-E, 1G HTT, Socket 939
nF4 Ultra - supports SATA 2, 1 x PCI-E, 1G HTT, Socket 939
nF4 - supports SATA, AGP 8x, 1G HTT, Socket 939
nF4 scaled edition - supports SATA, 800MHz HTT, Socket 754


http://www.ocworkbench.com/ocwbcgi/n...96554026,6710,

[blinky]

whys this good news?

[Shade00]

Because he can keep using his Ti4200.

Even though he has a 9500@9700 that 0wnZ the world.

[Torin]

I thought the whole point of nf4 was to add support for PCI-E, SLI and the other incoming technology. Isn't it otherwise just an nf3 chipset?

[blinky]

I thought the whole point of nf4 was to add support for PCI-E, SLI and the other incoming technology. Isn't it otherwise just an nf3 chipset?

to gf4 the point of new technology is to make his ti4200 look better

[Geforce4ti4200]

Because he can keep using his Ti4200.

Even though he has a 9500@9700 that 0wnZ the world.

so I can also use my softmodded 9500np, I arent going out to spend $500 on a 6800u or x800xt so I can stick it in the pci-e and the x600xt is worse than my ti4200 and 9500 as well. My friend wants to have a word with all of you:


I realize that alot of you dont belive ti4200, but its
seriously supposed to have it. Hell even I admit that
ti4200 is a bit of a douche when it comes to his
Ti4200, but think about it. How many PCI-E cards do
you see?
These pplz are buisness men. Wouldnt *you* make a mobo
with all 3 socket support and both AGP and PCI-E
support if you had the option? I just makes sense.
That way *everyone* will want an upgrade.

If not most people will wait a year atleast (myself
included), before buying *your* product. If they did
they they deserve to be castrated with a rusty spoon
for being a bunch of dumbasses. Then beaten to death
with each of their severed limbs....



Hes right, if theres no agp support on nf4 mobos, they will lose ALOT of business. How many people still have agp cards? how many have pci-e? I cant believe this, but its common sense that its premature to call the demise of agp, my friend has never spoken truer words

[Shade00]

I never claimed that Nf4 wouldn't have AGP. I also never claimed AGP would be dead next week.

By the time Nf4 is available, the x700s and 6600s will be too - heck, the 6600s are available now.

I guess I don't understand the whole point of your last post. AGP will die eventually, but who said it was going to die now? You can tell it's coming, as Nvidia and ATi are releasing their new mainstream cards to PCI-e... so what's the big deal?

[Geforce4ti4200]

there is a very high probability that nf4 will support agp, despite what some think otherwise........

[Shade00]

there is a very high probability that nf4 will support agp, despite what some think otherwise........

What in the world are you talking about? Who are you talking about?

[ocmyface]

omg GF4 YOURE SO MYSTERIOUS

EDIT: i really doubt NF4 will have AGP support, it would make zero sense...
nvidia wants nothign more than to start selling 700 dollar pci-e gfx cards, so why delay pci-e even longer by giving nf4 AGP ability. i really think theyll go straight pci-e and maybe make some gay remake for AGP, call it like
"NF4 AGPower v2.0" (similar to nforce2 v2)

[blinky]

dude give it up, time doesnt stop for you (or your vid card)

[OC Detective]

Isnt the argument redundant if both Nvidia and ATI are going to be making bridge chips on their video cards?

[Kunaak]

to gf4 the point of new technology is to make his ti4200 look better

best laugh I had all day-thanks

[drunkenmaster]

well, as pointed out NF4 without sata 2, without pci is EXACTLY what we have now in NF3 boards, so what you're saying is, its great NF4 boards will support agp, cos then in 3 months i can buy one for £20-30 more than a NF3 250GB board, that you could just buy now instead, that has exactly the same features, functionality andlike i said, are already out?


If you hadn't realised, the reason its NF4 with agp, is it will just be like gf4mx, sell the same freaking chipset but under new name and model number so it looks newer. Who buys nf3 150 boards now? who will buy nf3 250gb board if the nf4 board is out and sounds a whole lot better, cos as gfti4200 has taught us, higher numbers on cards mean they are much better. Thats why we have X800's(800) and he has a gf4 ti 4200(4200) clearly he thinks the 4200 is much faster.


Sata 2 is completely god damned useless , i mean 100% completely and utterly means nothing. pci-e right now means nothing, i can't for the life of me see what NF4 has to offer. all it means is , by the sounds of it, dfi will have a nf4 board waiting to fly out the door asap, which is why we all want it, nowt to do with chipset, everyone was getting excited bout the nf3 dfi 939 too, what we all want is a freaking board with decent voltage options at stock, cos a lot of us don't want to mod. I for one have very very shakey hands and have no chance in hell of soldering anything, tried, not gonna happen.

[FX Freak]

NF4 Ultra ownz
Sli ist also very nice, but i´m waiting für atis answer to SLI
when is the NF4Ultra/SLI comming?

[p4z1f1st]

afaik november....

[saaya]

nvidia officially said there will be 4 versions and there will def be one version with dual opterons, so where is that one?

they dont even mention it... so i dont believe their "source"

[endo]

Look, I like AMD and Intel. I still have a Intel 386 and a AMD 486 sitting at home. I have been using both since then. But my only argument against AMD is A64. IMO, it was just a quick little job to try and keep ahead of Intel. No-one even knows if it's 64bit functions even work completely yet. I hear about people with A64's dying and not o/cing well all the time. Look at Intel, they were producing chips a good couple of years before AMD and they practicly invented x86 as to my knowledge. So in my opinion: INTEL>AMD>*.

[bldegle2]

there is a 64 bit version of XP, you can get a beta version real easy just by signing up. as it stands right now, except for the OS, there are not many 64 bit programs to test it with, so comparisons are hard to come by

as far as your analogy goes, you are saying because Intel was first they are better, not taking into consideration that maybe #2 is trying harder and actually doing better 'right now'?

anyway, 64bit will come soon enough, M$ is milking the 32bit XP ride for a little while longer, when da 'big boyz', IE, M$ and INTEL decide it is time to make a move, programmers will scramble and AMD will still be a thorn in Intel's side.

i see nothing changing dramatically in the near future. bizness as usual..............

baldy

[krille]

geforce you protectionist reactionary, hope you're happy now :thumbsup:

[texuspete00]

Endo... you did this in 3d team too. Stop bumping old threads for nothing. Your comments make no sense if this thread were brand new. If you didn't notice it's about NF4 and AGP. Leave it in the grave please. Ok ... thanks.

[muzz]

Look, I like AMD and Intel. I still have a Intel 386 and a AMD 486 sitting at home. I have been using both since then. But my only argument against AMD is A64. IMO, it was just a quick little job to try and keep ahead of Intel. No-one even knows if it's 64bit functions even work completely yet. I hear about people with A64's dying and not o/cing well all the time. Look at Intel, they were producing chips a good couple of years before AMD and they practicly invented x86 as to my knowledge. So in my opinion: INTEL>AMD>*.

A quick little job to try and keep ahead of Intel?
What are they supposed to do, stay behind them and their marketing push to the masses that pure MHZ means everything, when folks in the know realize that pure MHZ means nothing when it is coupled with an extremely long pipeline and it's severe penalties?
I guess we are supposed to just deal with 10 ghz processors that blow chunks because Intel decided that was our fate, all the while having to turn the AC on ( in the winter) because the heat thrown off by this hypotetical beast warmed the room up so much by sucking up 150-3 gazillion watts of power........
Get real.

I guess we should just bow down to Intel because they created something, even though another manufacturer ( that was a liscensed manufacturer for Intel) decided they could do it better, and broke off onto their own.

AMD is not perfect, but if it weren't for them we would probably still be in the P3 age at best, and BTW that chip would cost a fortune.
Not every Intel chip overclocks to the moon either, and if A64 is such a bad strategy why is Intel doing something similar.

IMO we need them BOTH, and as of right now MHO is AMD>Intel, as I believe it is they that are pushing technology further and faster.
Which is good for us for obvious reasons.

Sure glad we all are allowed to have our opinions.

[dnottis]

Hell, I wish they would put out a NF4 with an AGP slot - the only thing keeping me from moving to the DFI board is NOT wanting to sell my X800XT PE AGP because the performance of the PCI-e boards is just not up to par yet. (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid...04-27gpu2.html) Maybe it's immature chipset drivers, but the AGP X800XT PE beats out the X850XT PE most the time, even if it's only by a few frames - I'd have to sell my mobo and video card to move to PCI-e, then lose some performance... screw that.

[jinu117]

there is a very high probability that nf4 will support agp, despite what some think otherwise........

Logics against what you say.

1) NF3 and NF3 ultra still is in production no need to increase number of product which do become costly to manufacturer. Especially on technology that will slowly fade into background. It might take more than 1 year but there will be no benfit to make NF4 AGP chipset when there is proven product out there.

2) Do you honestly think motherboard manufacturer's entertain idea of putting NF4 with AGP on? More money to design new motherboard and more cost to support another product line. Why bother when NF3 is already in their stable and working just fine? What do NF4 exactly gives over NF3 for AGP crowd? (other than better overclockability, can't really think of anything significant, which is not what just about all company is worried about)

3) There always are oddballs that will implement interesting technology (LGA 875 or 865 etc but longevity or market of such product is ... well... and they dont' last)

[Skip]

"Logics against what you say."

that sounds like his famous line "speculation disagrees with you" ever since that line i've been a big GF4 fan. Gotta love it

i think i might buy a GF4ti, and nf4 agp, just because i can!