Quote Originally Posted by Buckeye View Post
I don't know about that. There are plenty of AMD systems out there for sale and most people do not OC or even know what that is. They go to BestBuy/Newegg/Fry's etc and buy pre-built systems.

I was looking around at Laptops for a friend yesterday, so many AMD systems out there, same with Desktops.

The main selling point for most consumers is ... price. This is where AMD can shine big time.
The average consumer does not even know what cores/threads are and what more can do for you, not that it matters much as they do not fully use them.

It goes... how fast does my system boot ... does it take a long time for my favorite app to fire up ... is the internet slow ?
Most of these can be dealt with by using SSD's.
I mentioned OEM systems and costs in my post so I'm right with you. Its just concerning for me that silicon optimizations are still ongoing. In the context of this forum I think a large chunk of us prefer a chip that can clock well, not just perform well at stock speeds. I think AMD will release this chip without fully refining the silicon, it won't clock well, and in this community, may not get received well. Again, I'm speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see new chips based on a new revision before the end of 2017 with much better results. To this end, I'm not committed to buying a Ryzen at launch.

Quote Originally Posted by AliG View Post
AMD is claiming Zen not only overclocks well, but responds to internal temp and voltage sensors for a far more aggressive boost clock. Hard to say until we put it in the hands of average overclockers (I really don't care what it does on LN2).
I haven't seen any claims from AMD on overclocking (not implying anything, just haven't seen it) but I have seen the boost concept which looks like it would work well (if the silicon would allow it). I also know what they claimed in the past so forgive me if I temper my expectations a bit. Considering the fact they are still revising silicon, this soon before launch, makes those claims sound very optimistic. That's all I'm saying.