Quote Originally Posted by boxleitnerb View Post
Titan is not a refresh, true.
Titan was not late, because for that to happen you would have to have some proof that it was meant to be released earlier. If a company changes their strategy, for example to release GK104 first and GK110 later, this is irrelevant and not enough to claim delays. The only reference points for delays that we have and that ultimately matter are in respect to what the competition does. For example, GF100 was late because it was released 6 months after RV870. But if RV870 had not been released until say April 2010, how would one be able to tell if GF100 was late or not? Late compared to what?? We *need* a reference point.

By the timing set forth by Titans release AMDs response with Hawaii can be considered to be late:

Both companies released their first 28nm-GPUs within about 2-3 months of each other: GK104 and Tahiti
GK110 and Hawaii are the addition to their lineups in the upper segment and they are direct competitors.
Nvidia released GK110 for GeForce 11 months after GK104. AMD will have released Hawaii for Radeon 22 months after Tahiti or 7 months after Titan.

This is simple logic and mathematics. I suggest you find some solid arguments of your own instead of trolling without any.
So now we are talking about "additions" to lineups, always funny to see fanboys trolls dance around semantics. Hawaii isn't a "addition" is a refresh, which Titan isn't. But i get it AMD is late because this time around Nvidia was able to put for sale it's full functional arc before AMD did a refresh of theirs, unlike fermi.

AMD launched a new arc (HD5000), Nvidia was late.
AMD did a refresh (HD6000) even before Nvidia was able to launch a full working fermi.
AMD launched a new arc (HD7000), nvidia was late, full working Kepler even later.
AMD did a refresh... where's maxwell? oh i know woodscrew edition is going pop out Q1 2014

Your rationale is priceless. I guess AMD was late with HD 6000 too, i mean it launched 6 months after fermi!!! It wasn't fermi that was late! It was AMD!!! I guess you think AMD should have always a new arch ready for when Nvidia releases it's new late arc, even if they just released theirs a couple months ago, because that makes sense!